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Post #47,507
by tuberculosis
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7/30/02 3:31:20 PM
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New Not a bad list
There seems to remain an abundance of "Java Web Architect" positions. I hate the work as I think Java is lame and the web lamer but that's what I keep seeing. (I'd rather build apps - real ones).

For sure RDBMS experience is very important in biz and an Oracle DBA can always find a good paycheck.

Learn C. You may not get paid for it but its what everything else is written in and Unix is particularly C oriented.

If you can find the time - learn a real OO language. Not to get paid but to expand your mind. Smalltalk (www.squeak.org or www.cincom.com) is the benchmark by which OO languages are measured. Python and Ruby are also good mind expanders.

Perl - well, I never could get into it but I know people get a lot done with it and if your mind is built that way, well god bless and help you. It will probably serve you well.

I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration.
Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #47,518
by tablizer
7/30/02 5:42:43 PM
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New nit fuel
Smalltalk (www.squeak.org or www.cincom.com) is the benchmark by which OO languages are measured.

Many may not agree with that. There tend to be the "strong typing" croud and the "dynamic" croud. The strong-typing croud would probably recommend something like Eiffle over Smalltalk as "how OO should be".
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Post #47,563
by tuberculosis
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7/31/02 3:25:32 AM
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New Yes but those people are wrong :-P
I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration.
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     Unemployed programmer seeking advice... (Is that all <g>) - (rsteiner) - (62) - July 30, 2002, 01:38:12 PM EDT
         Your list looks OK - (wharris2) - (2) - July 30, 2002, 01:47:26 PM EDT
             Good thoughts... Thanks! - (rsteiner) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 01:55:31 PM EDT
                 c and perl on solaris and linux - (boxley) - July 30, 2002, 02:02:34 PM EDT
         The "in thing" now is canning programmers - (tablizer) - (9) - July 30, 2002, 02:46:25 PM EDT
             IT Rust Belt - by Bob Lewis - (tablizer) - (8) - July 30, 2002, 11:58:59 PM EDT
                 Key point - (broomberg) - Aug. 1, 2002, 09:46:38 AM EDT
                 Writing code is *FUN* for me... - (rsteiner) - (6) - Aug. 1, 2002, 04:28:52 PM EDT
                     Ditto here. - (inthane-chan) - Aug. 1, 2002, 07:29:20 PM EDT
                     I love coding, BUT... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 3, 2002, 12:01:42 PM EDT
                     No slider widget for $ - (tablizer) - (3) - Aug. 7, 2002, 05:30:45 PM EDT
                         Re: No slider widget for $ - (rsteiner) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2002, 05:57:33 PM EDT
                             It isn't whether you mind it more... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2002, 06:25:30 PM EDT
                                 Heh... - (rsteiner) - Aug. 8, 2002, 05:50:18 PM EDT
         Re: Unemployed programmer seeking advice... - (admin) - (8) - July 30, 2002, 03:02:52 PM EDT
             DB2 versus Oracle - (tablizer) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 03:21:00 PM EDT
                 But tab - you're a shoe in! - (gdaustin) - July 30, 2002, 06:13:56 PM EDT
             Where to get Oracle? - (lincoln) - (5) - July 31, 2002, 10:30:46 AM EDT
                 Re: Where to get Oracle? - (admin) - (4) - July 31, 2002, 11:02:27 AM EDT
                     Which is why I like Oracle - (orion) - (3) - July 31, 2002, 11:40:17 AM EDT
                         unless you count time - (tablizer) - (2) - July 31, 2002, 11:06:26 PM EDT
                             Overpaid DBAs? - (broomberg) - (1) - July 31, 2002, 11:27:01 PM EDT
                                 One More Thing - (gdaustin) - Aug. 3, 2002, 11:14:23 AM EDT
         Not a bad list - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 30, 2002, 03:31:20 PM EDT
             nit fuel - (tablizer) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 05:42:43 PM EDT
                 Yes but those people are wrong :-P -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 31, 2002, 03:25:32 AM EDT
         Unsuprisingly I will suggest picking up a scripting language - (ben_tilly) - (5) - July 30, 2002, 10:10:02 PM EDT
             Thanks, Ben... - (rsteiner) - (4) - Aug. 1, 2002, 04:35:32 PM EDT
                 Re: Thanks, Ben... - (broomberg) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2002, 05:58:57 PM EDT
                     Why not? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2002, 08:51:07 PM EDT
                         Dunno - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2002, 10:08:32 AM EDT
                             Perhaps... - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 5, 2002, 06:56:34 AM EDT
         Teach? - (andread) - (1) - July 31, 2002, 12:50:09 PM EDT
             Not for me, I'm afraid... - (rsteiner) - Aug. 1, 2002, 04:36:14 PM EDT
         Hi! - (deSitter) - (3) - July 31, 2002, 05:06:12 PM EDT
             Requirements for the IT jobs - (orion) - July 31, 2002, 10:13:54 PM EDT
             Hullo! - (rsteiner) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2002, 04:41:30 PM EDT
                 Boo Hoo OS/2 - (deSitter) - Aug. 2, 2002, 09:31:07 AM EDT
         My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (16) - July 31, 2002, 11:16:22 PM EDT
             Be Specific - (deSitter) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2002, 08:54:59 AM EDT
                 Re: Be Specific - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2002, 09:35:32 AM EDT
                     Danke -NT - (deSitter) - Aug. 1, 2002, 12:38:43 PM EDT
             Re: My biased opinion: - (rsteiner) - (3) - Aug. 1, 2002, 04:53:28 PM EDT
                 Re: My biased opinion: - (broomberg) - (2) - Aug. 1, 2002, 05:49:32 PM EDT
                     Only consider 'C' if you're interested in embedded prog. -NT - (tonytib) - (1) - Aug. 1, 2002, 06:57:34 PM EDT
                         C is still guts of lots of stuff - (wharris2) - Aug. 2, 2002, 01:48:54 PM EDT
             Don't master many, but at least be exposed to several? - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Aug. 1, 2002, 08:47:24 PM EDT
                 I wouldn't - (broomberg) - (7) - Aug. 4, 2002, 11:42:20 AM EDT
                     Query - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Aug. 5, 2002, 07:02:46 AM EDT
                         Poor example - (broomberg) - (5) - Aug. 5, 2002, 07:39:23 PM EDT
                             Haggling - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Aug. 5, 2002, 08:51:00 PM EDT
                                 It's in my blood, I have to - (broomberg) - (3) - Aug. 5, 2002, 09:13:56 PM EDT
                                     I think you missed my reference - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 5, 2002, 09:52:10 PM EDT
                                         Ahh, ye of little HR experience - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 6, 2002, 06:24:27 AM EDT
                                             I would like to believe... - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 6, 2002, 10:46:34 PM EDT
         Try SouthWest Airlines... - (gdaustin) - (5) - Aug. 3, 2002, 12:32:04 PM EDT
             Heh. - (rsteiner) - (4) - Aug. 4, 2002, 02:56:00 AM EDT
                 You might check out the Seagate & such - (tonytib) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2002, 06:51:58 PM EDT
                     It's a thought -- I'll check it out. - (rsteiner) - Aug. 6, 2002, 01:00:50 AM EDT
                 Might try ING or Wells Fargo - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2002, 10:27:56 PM EDT
                     Not really... - (rsteiner) - Aug. 6, 2002, 01:18:33 AM EDT
         This made me think of you - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2002, 07:47:03 PM EDT
             Heh. :-) - (rsteiner) - Aug. 6, 2002, 01:21:52 AM EDT

Dr. Peter prescribes a nice warm cup of shut the hell up.
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