And once again...

Post #47,183 by hnick 7/27/02 12:02:04 PM Reply	And once again... Hamburgers are not evil. Even poor quality hamburgers are not evil. "Good" is not necessarily dumb. Can be kinda foolish at times, for various degrees of "Good". Chain burgers have a lot of fat and salt. Fat and salt taste "good". Reasonable quantities of fat and salt are even necessary (you flat out need sodium, you might get away with fat substitutes but I wouldn't want to.)If you eat excess amounts of fat and salt you become obese and risk other problems, bad bowels, say. The chains are going to continue to sell cheap hamburgers. It's what they do for a living. Their burgers are not, of themselves, more toxic than Visual Basic or other main stream ickys. The majority of the public that you worry about ARE cattle. The only thing that keeps them from becoming a hamburger is a lack of a government stamp. The intellegent members of society are supposed to have gone to school where they are supposed to learn the basics of what makes the body go. If you get sick or think you have problems, you should know how to do basic research. I am comfortably certain you have access the the internet. You probably have access to a library (the cards are free or at least cheap.) Dietary information is not classified or even hidden. Surgeon Generals have been screaming from any pulpit they can access about the diet of USA citizens for as long as I can remember. You can eat healthy if you want. The healthy food can also taste good if you do a little research. It is also cheaper than eating at a chain fast food joint (A pound of chicken thighs costs 89 cents (last Saturday), pounded flat, seasoned with 20 cents of spices/herbs, and sauteed in a little olive oil, cooks down to about a pound of chicken. Serve with a slice of cheese on bread with lettuce, you feed 4 cheaper than going to a fast food place, and take less time than driving there and back.)Recipes and how-tos are available from the net or library. Fast food was not perpetrated upon you. You did it to your own self. Take responsibility and quit whining.
Post #47,192 by orion 7/27/02 2:20:41 PM Reply	There is a point here I was not made aware of the dangers. Fast Food caters to those who do not have time to make their own meals. If they do not have time to make their own meals, they certainly do not have time to research the food and dietary concerns of the fast food. My time was spent trying to earn an education and work at a job to work on a career, not become an expert dietician. While Ronald McDonald didn't cram Big Macs into my mouth, I was like others decieved by McDonald's false advertising and marketing gimmicks about their products. My parents took me to fast food places when I was young, and I got hooked on them. That addiction is hard to break. My parents still eat at fast food joints, and they take my son there against my wishes. My wife also takes my son there, she is an LPN and should know better, but she does so anyway. Most fast food joints would be burned to the ground if they gave out the truth about their products. But instead they choose to hide that truth that prolonged eating of their food can cause serious illnesses. They've know this for many years and haven't done anything about it. But, oh, go ahead and take their side. After all, you aren't the one with the inflamed colon and serious health illnesses. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,200 by hnick 7/27/02 3:17:15 PM Reply	Oh come now.. Of course you were made aware of the dangers. Surgeons General for the last 30 years have been preaching about diet and health issues. Television has specials about health problems in the country. You can't go a week without reading something in the newspaper. If you are unaware of the dangers, you have been living in a reclusive monastary and are in no danger from McCrap. I learned basics of diet and such in grade school and maybe high school. This stuff is not a secret. It shouldn't have interfered with your absorbtion of Visual Basic... McDonalds did not lie about anything as far as I know. They sell cheap (more or less) fast (more or less) food (more or less). The use salt and fat to make it taste good. The food is certainly not addictive. Lazyness may be. You can eat the stuff and live. If you can't tolerate the gup, DON'T EAT IT. As I pointed out earlier, you can eat cheaper (I seem to recall that this is a concern for you), and healther if you want to. The dangers are from excess, not the grease burger. That is an individual sort of thing. If you order a McGlutton burger and supersize it, that's a reflection on you, not the chain. Again, they are not doing anything wrong except cosseting your own vices. You could of course, take the point of view that they shouldn't do that, like a bartender cutting you off when you've had a few too many. Or you could take responsibility and quit whining.
Post #47,201 by orion 7/27/02 4:08:16 PM Reply	I've gotten to the point that I am unable to take responsibility because of my illnesses both mental and physical. I am real close to filing for disability. It is not within my power to take responsibility for anyway, even if I wanted to. All things are pretty much out of my control anyway. I'm better off dead than to be this ill. Besides, nobody else seems to take responsibility for their actions anymore anyway. Here at least I have a legitamate gripe, and have others that are in the same boat as me. We put our trust in the fast food industry, and that trust was betrayed. If the surgen general was serious about health risks of fast food, they would have put warning labels on them the same as they did for cigarettes. Even still, those who read the warning labels still were able to sue ciagette comapnies and claim billions for their pain. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,202 by hnick 7/27/02 4:19:11 PM Reply	Whatever... Cry to your lawyer. I'm done here
Post #47,219 by orion 7/27/02 5:36:18 PM Reply	Can't cry anymore I ran out of tears ten years ago, I've been dry ever since. There is no True Justice in this world. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,274 by CRConrad 7/28/02 1:42:41 PM Reply	Whatever you do - first change your .sig, because... ...as it is right now, you're making a mockery of it. Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #47,205 by Ashton 7/27/02 4:29:56 PM Reply	See above: it's passed on from parent --> child via magical psych processes generally lumped-together and called dumbth. But since you report that you were Genuinely Surprised\ufffd to hear - quite later on - about the effects of the years of greaseburgers (despite all the lore which sane people kept tryin to tell the reglar folks since ~Day 1) will try and recap for ya: You Know about Advertising! - there is no field I can think of better able to Teach That than "IT" (except the peddling of pharm-chem crap to all and sundry, including lazy, undereducated Drs.). OK Few fields anyway.. which more often teach the simple fact that: ALL ADS ARE LIES, in at least SOME respect. They are neither 'information' nor knowledge: they are lies to get you to buy Anything you are stupid enough to be seduced into imagining that you Want == Need! next or ... ... very soon: MUST Have. << No. "it wasn't brought to your attention" ... with a lead 2x4, and on a 15-minute cycle - or whatever is your attention span (?) And if you subordinated all ideas of personal care, survival - to learning cockamamie shit like Vee Bee and hash tables? WTF do ya think that makes You? (NOT 'makes': McDonalds Eat Me! or Chevrolet built-like-a-Rock for Rock-heads or Merck Buy My Nostrum + read the side effects Vols. I and II) In case it hadn't dawned yet on the deepest levels: Bizness Itself is about the seduction of the unwary and especially - the unteachable. (Even "business" BB, Before Billy, was identical: just less rapacious and less obviously run on pure greed 24/7) Just.. check the "mission statements" if this is news to ya. As in {sheesh} Ashton
Post #47,217 by orion 7/27/02 5:28:01 PM Reply	It wasn't brought to my attention they skipped over it in health class in grade school because we were behind, they skipped a lot of chapters actually. It wasn't as important to learn, or so the teachers thought, as other stuff. Public Education is not all it is cracked up to be anyway, I barely comprehend English just ask CRC about that. Most of the information that I got over my lifetime came from a TV set. With special advertisement about just about anything. I was told that fast food was healthy, and that if I ate it, that the world would be a wonderful place. As a kid, I was not aware that TV could lie to you. I was not aware that MegaCorps made tons of money off of other people's misery. I was not aware that MegaCorps could sell unhealthy food that eventually will come back and make me sicker if I continued to eat it. I only learned this stuff as an adult, after I kept getting sick and had no idea why I kept getting sick. My doctor kept telling me that I must have had the flu, but I seemed to get it a lot. I ended up in the emergancy room a lot, they knew I was in pain, high blood pressure, fever, sharp adominal pains, but had no idea why. It wasn't until later that they found out that I had problems with my Colon and Stomach. But when that happened, it was too late to do anything to reverse it. I've been living in Hell ever since. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,227 by hnick 7/27/02 6:16:36 PM Reply	Ok.. You need to get your meds checked. As close to immediately as you can manage. No excuses. See your doctor Real Soon. If he won't see you get emergency help. This is fucked up by any standards. You need help. You should get it NOW. I'm not picking on you. I'm serious. Get help.
Post #47,244 by orion 7/27/02 9:38:30 PM Reply	They don't care I talked with my doctor about it, he told me to take the med by supper instead of bedtime. Didn't help. As long as he can charge my insurance company for it. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,273 by CRConrad 7/28/02 1:39:59 PM Reply	Didn't your MOTHER tell you fucking ANYTHING ?!?
Post #47,224 by Andrew Grygus 7/27/02 5:58:33 PM Reply	The degree of unawareness you claim . . . . is way beyond that of construction workers, tractor mechanics and big rig drivers (except maybe in the South), so I can give it no credence. We are all dealt unequal hands and have to play them as dealt. If you got an overly sensitive colon, it would make sense to take note and be careful, not to blame "evil corporate capitalists" for wrecking it. A lot of people eat a lot of stuff at fast food joints, and I don't here 'em bitching about their colons. No one can take responsibility for you except yourself. That's just the way it works. You need to stand up, fess up and clean up, or accept the consequences without bitching - or do you expect one day to stand in judgement and say, "Huh? What do you mean? Jesus is supposed to take care of all that stuff isn't he?". [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #47,245 by orion 7/27/02 9:44:30 PM Reply	Never thought about it, until it was too late. Nobody ever went over a dietrary plan with me, until after I already had the problems. So I guess that means I am dense, eh? Lower than truck drivers and construction workers? Guess that is why I only got an Assocites instead of a Bachlors. Guess that is why I learned Visual BASIC instead of Java or C++? Sucks to be me. I'm already living through my own Hell, the real Hell cannot be any worse than this. What's to be afraid of, most of you guys don't believe in an Afterlife anyway? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,246 by Another Scott 7/27/02 9:57:54 PM Reply	It's not too late. You've got lots of time. Use it wisely.

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