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Post #47,091 by orion 7/26/02 6:38:14 PM Reply	But Office isn't part of the OS and it is optional. One does not need to buy Office to get a working PC. Maybe Dell and Gateway etc bundle Office with their PC, but I bet they offer models without Office, or ones that use MS-Works instead. That is like me saying that in order to use a Mac, you also have to buy Appleworks and Filemaker Pro and subscribe to the .Mac service. BTW what is up with those $129USD MacOSX 10.2 upgrades? Doesn't Apple have an "upgrade" price to older OSX owners? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,179 by tuberculosis 7/27/02 11:15:30 AM 7/27/02 11:18:10 AM Reply	Sure it is Just like Explorer is. Actually, MS doesn't maintain a clear distinction between OS code and app code. No sense of architecture in their stuff. I've never seen a PC without Office and the rest of the MS app stuff installed by default. RE Upgrade: OS development costs money. You have to pay for its somehow. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns. Edited by tuberculosis July 27, 2002, 11:18:10 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #47,190 by orion 7/27/02 2:11:21 PM Reply	I said it before and I'll say it again for the hard of hearing. Office is an optional package for Windows, some systems use MSWorks instead for the bundled software package. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,483 by wharris2 7/30/02 1:40:35 PM Reply	Re: I said it before some systems use MSWorks instead for the bundled software package. (raises hand) I haven't used much of it except the calendar, but I suppose its word processor and/or spreadsheet and/or whatever are adequate (even though I do still remember PC Write, PC Outline, probably with too much nostalgia.) The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle

Argh! Why are Mac users so WHINY!!! - (tjsinclair) - (93) - July 18, 2002, 01:22:16 AM EDT

I hate the Mac - (tuberculosis) - (85) - July 18, 2002, 10:47:53 AM EDT

Agreed - (tjsinclair) - July 18, 2002, 12:11:49 PM EDT

It was a love-hate relationship - (orion) - July 18, 2002, 12:31:53 PM EDT

I said this many a year ago - (orion) - (79) - July 18, 2002, 05:28:18 PM EDT

I remember - (tuberculosis) - (78) - July 19, 2002, 05:34:48 AM EDT

Desktop Unixes and Mac Users - (orion) - July 19, 2002, 08:10:13 AM EDT

But here is my point - (orion) - (76) - July 19, 2002, 09:10:32 AM EDT

Excessive diversity - (tuberculosis) - (75) - July 19, 2002, 09:43:25 AM EDT

Things have changed - (orion) - (74) - July 19, 2002, 09:52:28 AM EDT

Not enough - (tuberculosis) - (73) - July 22, 2002, 03:09:25 AM EDT

That sounds painful - (snork) - (69) - July 22, 2002, 11:09:40 AM EDT

Not all of the PC Industry - (orion) - (68) - July 22, 2002, 12:49:08 PM EDT

Pretty much - (tuberculosis) - (67) - July 22, 2002, 04:56:30 PM EDT

Optical mouse/mouse wheel? - (admin) - (9) - July 22, 2002, 05:24:04 PM EDT

Sun Workstations - 1987 - (tuberculosis) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 02:41:39 AM EDT

Morley (ot) - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 03:10:27 AM EDT

I know what you mean! -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 09:09:34 AM EDT

Different optical technologies - (tonytib) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 12:42:30 PM EDT

OK, Noted - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 04:57:23 PM EDT

Re: Sun Workstations - 1987 - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 05:05:15 PM EDT

Hahahahaha! - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:24:37 PM EDT

Yep - I remember that. -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 05:27:48 PM EDT

Figured you would say that. - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:41 PM EDT

The PC side - (andread) - (1) - July 22, 2002, 07:07:25 PM EDT

Latchable menus - OK - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 02:44:14 AM EDT

Let me think about it - (orion) - (54) - July 22, 2002, 07:10:51 PM EDT

Nope - (tuberculosis) - (40) - July 23, 2002, 03:04:08 AM EDT

Re: Nope - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 03:14:57 AM EDT

How many paper airplanes did your team build? - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 09:13:07 AM EDT

PC Sound - (orion) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 10:51:23 AM EDT

Forget it - (pwhysall) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 12:45:39 PM EDT

More stuff they should have stole - (orion) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 01:27:15 PM EDT

The Enlightenment WM Had/Has It -NT - (altmann) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 01:51:42 PM EDT

I always hated that feature - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:25 PM EDT

I loved it - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 05:29:26 PM EDT

Yes/no - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:33:21 PM EDT

Hey somebody gets it! - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 04:25:16 PM EDT

What about the light pen interface? - (orion) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 01:39:50 PM EDT

Did your computer come with one? Does the mac? Not ubiq. - (tuberculosis) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 04:22:45 PM EDT

So what? On the PC the mouse is optional. - (orion) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 04:32:10 PM EDT

You're off topic - (tuberculosis) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 05:01:22 PM EDT

You're off your rocker - (orion) - (5) - July 23, 2002, 05:27:22 PM EDT

?!?!? - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 05:42:00 PM EDT

Stay on topic indeed? - (orion) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 06:13:29 PM EDT

Taking your ball and going home? - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 06:21:35 PM EDT

Not my ball, not my home, not my game. - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 09:28:31 PM EDT

OK, I'll make this simple for you - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 02:58:34 AM EDT

Au contraire - (wharris2) - (19) - July 23, 2002, 03:10:14 PM EDT

Don't tease the Mac Fans - (orion) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 04:13:29 PM EDT

You miss the point - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 04:38:16 PM EDT

Big deal - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 04:49:47 PM EDT

Think Not - (tuberculosis) - (15) - July 23, 2002, 04:48:04 PM EDT

Price, even if you like it or not, always is a big factor. - (orion) - (14) - July 23, 2002, 04:58:46 PM EDT

So low price is a PC "innovation" copied by everybody else? - (tuberculosis) - (13) - July 23, 2002, 05:06:55 PM EDT

The point is innovating to keep the price down, better bang - (orion) - (12) - July 23, 2002, 05:36:03 PM EDT

Maybe - (tuberculosis) - (11) - July 23, 2002, 05:45:24 PM EDT

You apparently don't seem to see a lot of things - (orion) - (10) - July 23, 2002, 06:16:39 PM EDT

What systems are those then? - (pwhysall) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 06:19:28 PM EDT

I always thought you were intelligent. - (wharris2) - (8) - July 26, 2002, 02:55:10 AM EDT

Expandable in which dimension? - (tuberculosis) - (1) - July 26, 2002, 03:39:55 AM EDT

Fear of a Red Hat - (orion) - July 26, 2002, 12:08:39 PM EDT

Not only that - (orion) - (5) - July 26, 2002, 12:03:18 PM EDT

You still need Office - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 26, 2002, 03:49:08 PM EDT

But Office isn't part of the OS - (orion) - (3) - July 26, 2002, 06:38:14 PM EDT

Sure it is - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 27, 2002, 11:18:10 AM EDT

I said it before - (orion) - (1) - July 27, 2002, 02:11:21 PM EDT

Re: I said it before - (wharris2) - July 30, 2002, 01:40:35 PM EDT

*Spurts coffee over keyboard* - (pwhysall) - (12) - July 23, 2002, 12:50:03 PM EDT

It was free, when it was Outlook 98 - (orion) - (10) - July 23, 2002, 01:32:07 PM EDT

Nope - (pwhysall) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 02:32:59 PM EDT

Huh? - (orion) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 03:57:30 PM EDT

Key Words - (pwhysall) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 05:13:35 PM EDT

OT Your BLOG - (tuberculosis) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 05:23:22 PM EDT

Re: OT Your BLOG - (pwhysall) - (5) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:21 PM EDT

Perl - ICK! - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 05:51:59 PM EDT

Re: Perl - ICK! - (pwhysall) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 05:55:06 PM EDT

Yeah but if I know me - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 05:58:11 PM EDT

I think I've found Todd's Weblog Heaven - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 06:04:09 PM EDT

Thanks! - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 03:02:06 AM EDT

Evolution - (altmann) - July 24, 2002, 02:30:56 AM EDT

Actually, there has been innovation in PC's - (tonytib) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 07:58:10 PM EDT

Preach on! - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 08:54:48 PM EDT

My price trick - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 02:49:56 AM EDT

Why I hate the Mac - (orion) - (2) - July 19, 2002, 02:50:43 PM EDT

I am your long lost sister - (Dark Phoenix 2) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 04:05:44 PM EDT

Sister, where have you been? - (orion) - July 31, 2002, 12:08:14 AM EDT

They just are - (orion) - July 18, 2002, 12:28:09 PM EDT

The Katt knows! - (orion) - (5) - July 18, 2002, 07:33:29 PM EDT

Cute, but not to the point - (tjsinclair) - (4) - July 18, 2002, 09:52:12 PM EDT

But I already have it! - (snork) - (3) - July 19, 2002, 12:06:17 PM EDT

Good point - (tjsinclair) - (1) - July 19, 2002, 05:17:56 PM EDT

Can't argue with that - (snork) - July 21, 2002, 12:33:40 AM EDT

Yeah I know - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 05:09:37 PM EDT

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