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Post #46,973
by tuberculosis
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7/26/02 3:39:55 AM
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New Expandable in which dimension?
They now use most of the same device busses so I'm curious how Macs are not expandable?

I mean: IDE, USB, Firewire, 802.11b, 56k modem, CD/DVD-ROM, both digital video and whatever the older (rgb?) thing is. What doesn't expand? Heck, the desktops flip open with a latch making component installation take a second - no screwdrivers required. I don't get your point.

Plus, I kinda think MacOS X is worth the price differential. Because while you may get yourself a PC for X dollars, it comes with a built-in money tap (halting regularly to demand upgrade money) that flows to MS. In the end you pay more unless you run non-ms software (which you still generally end up paying for once except for a few rare exceptions).

Then there's the value thing. Software I need to run doesn't run on linux. So the relative value of the PC is zero. Not a good value prop.

I don't think your assertion holds.

And what does this have to do with innovations that change the definition of what a computer is?
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Post #47,049
by orion
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7/26/02 12:08:39 PM
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New Fear of a Red Hat
The Mac has taken on PC technology to become more expandable. USB, PCI, AGP, IDE, etc. But then the PC is using Mac technology for Firewire now.

Linux can run DOS and Windows software, just like a Mac can. There are emulators for Linux that can run DOS or Windows or both. In fact, a free project called WINE, is growing very popular [link|http://www.winehq.org/|[link|http://www.winehq.org/|http://www.winehq.org/]] there also is DOSEMU for running DOS, but you need a copy of DOS to run inside of it. Others are listed in the Linux forum if you are bothering to read it.

If you run Linux for the Mac, there is always MacOnLinux to boot MacOS 9.X or lower in a virtual Machine.

So what is this BS about Linux not being able to run the software you need? What software are you talking about? Why are Mac Fans so adamantly against Linux? Fear of a Red Hat?
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     Argh! Why are Mac users so WHINY!!! - (tjsinclair) - (93) - July 18, 2002, 01:22:16 AM EDT
         I hate the Mac - (tuberculosis) - (85) - July 18, 2002, 10:47:53 AM EDT
             Agreed - (tjsinclair) - July 18, 2002, 12:11:49 PM EDT
             It was a love-hate relationship - (orion) - July 18, 2002, 12:31:53 PM EDT
             I said this many a year ago - (orion) - (79) - July 18, 2002, 05:28:18 PM EDT
                 I remember - (tuberculosis) - (78) - July 19, 2002, 05:34:48 AM EDT
                     Desktop Unixes and Mac Users - (orion) - July 19, 2002, 08:10:13 AM EDT
                     But here is my point - (orion) - (76) - July 19, 2002, 09:10:32 AM EDT
                         Excessive diversity - (tuberculosis) - (75) - July 19, 2002, 09:43:25 AM EDT
                             Things have changed - (orion) - (74) - July 19, 2002, 09:52:28 AM EDT
                                 Not enough - (tuberculosis) - (73) - July 22, 2002, 03:09:25 AM EDT
                                     That sounds painful - (snork) - (69) - July 22, 2002, 11:09:40 AM EDT
                                         Not all of the PC Industry - (orion) - (68) - July 22, 2002, 12:49:08 PM EDT
                                             Pretty much - (tuberculosis) - (67) - July 22, 2002, 04:56:30 PM EDT
                                                 Optical mouse/mouse wheel? - (admin) - (9) - July 22, 2002, 05:24:04 PM EDT
                                                     Sun Workstations - 1987 - (tuberculosis) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 02:41:39 AM EDT
                                                         Morley (ot) - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 03:10:27 AM EDT
                                                             I know what you mean! -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 09:09:34 AM EDT
                                                         Different optical technologies - (tonytib) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 12:42:30 PM EDT
                                                             OK, Noted - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 04:57:23 PM EDT
                                                         Re: Sun Workstations - 1987 - (pwhysall) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 05:05:15 PM EDT
                                                             Hahahahaha! - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:24:37 PM EDT
                                                             Yep - I remember that. -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 05:27:48 PM EDT
                                                         Figured you would say that. - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:41 PM EDT
                                                 The PC side - (andread) - (1) - July 22, 2002, 07:07:25 PM EDT
                                                     Latchable menus - OK - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 02:44:14 AM EDT
                                                 Let me think about it - (orion) - (54) - July 22, 2002, 07:10:51 PM EDT
                                                     Nope - (tuberculosis) - (40) - July 23, 2002, 03:04:08 AM EDT
                                                         Re: Nope - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 03:14:57 AM EDT
                                                             How many paper airplanes did your team build? - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 09:13:07 AM EDT
                                                         PC Sound - (orion) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 10:51:23 AM EDT
                                                             Forget it - (pwhysall) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 12:45:39 PM EDT
                                                                 More stuff they should have stole - (orion) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 01:27:15 PM EDT
                                                                     The Enlightenment WM Had/Has It -NT - (altmann) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 01:51:42 PM EDT
                                                                         I always hated that feature - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:25 PM EDT
                                                                             I loved it - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 05:29:26 PM EDT
                                                                             Yes/no - (admin) - July 23, 2002, 05:33:21 PM EDT
                                                                 Hey somebody gets it! - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 04:25:16 PM EDT
                                                         What about the light pen interface? - (orion) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 01:39:50 PM EDT
                                                             Did your computer come with one? Does the mac? Not ubiq. - (tuberculosis) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 04:22:45 PM EDT
                                                                 So what? On the PC the mouse is optional. - (orion) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 04:32:10 PM EDT
                                                                     You're off topic - (tuberculosis) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 05:01:22 PM EDT
                                                                         You're off your rocker - (orion) - (5) - July 23, 2002, 05:27:22 PM EDT
                                                                             ?!?!? - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 05:42:00 PM EDT
                                                                                 Stay on topic indeed? - (orion) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 06:13:29 PM EDT
                                                                                     Taking your ball and going home? - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 06:21:35 PM EDT
                                                                                         Not my ball, not my home, not my game. - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 09:28:31 PM EDT
                                                                                     OK, I'll make this simple for you - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 02:58:34 AM EDT
                                                         Au contraire - (wharris2) - (19) - July 23, 2002, 03:10:14 PM EDT
                                                             Don't tease the Mac Fans - (orion) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 04:13:29 PM EDT
                                                                 You miss the point - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 04:38:16 PM EDT
                                                                     Big deal - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 04:49:47 PM EDT
                                                             Think Not - (tuberculosis) - (15) - July 23, 2002, 04:48:04 PM EDT
                                                                 Price, even if you like it or not, always is a big factor. - (orion) - (14) - July 23, 2002, 04:58:46 PM EDT
                                                                     So low price is a PC "innovation" copied by everybody else? - (tuberculosis) - (13) - July 23, 2002, 05:06:55 PM EDT
                                                                         The point is innovating to keep the price down, better bang - (orion) - (12) - July 23, 2002, 05:36:03 PM EDT
                                                                             Maybe - (tuberculosis) - (11) - July 23, 2002, 05:45:24 PM EDT
                                                                                 You apparently don't seem to see a lot of things - (orion) - (10) - July 23, 2002, 06:16:39 PM EDT
                                                                                     What systems are those then? - (pwhysall) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 06:19:28 PM EDT
                                                                                         I always thought you were intelligent. - (wharris2) - (8) - July 26, 2002, 02:55:10 AM EDT
                                                                                             Expandable in which dimension? - (tuberculosis) - (1) - July 26, 2002, 03:39:55 AM EDT
                                                                                                 Fear of a Red Hat - (orion) - July 26, 2002, 12:08:39 PM EDT
                                                                                             Not only that - (orion) - (5) - July 26, 2002, 12:03:18 PM EDT
                                                                                                 You still need Office - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 26, 2002, 03:49:08 PM EDT
                                                                                                     But Office isn't part of the OS - (orion) - (3) - July 26, 2002, 06:38:14 PM EDT
                                                                                                         Sure it is - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 27, 2002, 11:18:10 AM EDT
                                                                                                             I said it before - (orion) - (1) - July 27, 2002, 02:11:21 PM EDT
                                                                                                                 Re: I said it before - (wharris2) - July 30, 2002, 01:40:35 PM EDT
                                                     *Spurts coffee over keyboard* - (pwhysall) - (12) - July 23, 2002, 12:50:03 PM EDT
                                                         It was free, when it was Outlook 98 - (orion) - (10) - July 23, 2002, 01:32:07 PM EDT
                                                             Nope - (pwhysall) - (9) - July 23, 2002, 02:32:59 PM EDT
                                                                 Huh? - (orion) - (8) - July 23, 2002, 03:57:30 PM EDT
                                                                     Key Words - (pwhysall) - (7) - July 23, 2002, 05:13:35 PM EDT
                                                                         OT Your BLOG - (tuberculosis) - (6) - July 23, 2002, 05:23:22 PM EDT
                                                                             Re: OT Your BLOG - (pwhysall) - (5) - July 23, 2002, 05:25:21 PM EDT
                                                                                 Perl - ICK! - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 23, 2002, 05:51:59 PM EDT
                                                                                     Re: Perl - ICK! - (pwhysall) - (3) - July 23, 2002, 05:55:06 PM EDT
                                                                                         Yeah but if I know me - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 05:58:11 PM EDT
                                                                                             I think I've found Todd's Weblog Heaven - (pwhysall) - (1) - July 23, 2002, 06:04:09 PM EDT
                                                                                                 Thanks! - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 03:02:06 AM EDT
                                                         Evolution - (altmann) - July 24, 2002, 02:30:56 AM EDT
                                     Actually, there has been innovation in PC's - (tonytib) - (2) - July 23, 2002, 07:58:10 PM EDT
                                         Preach on! - (orion) - July 23, 2002, 08:54:48 PM EDT
                                         My price trick - (tuberculosis) - July 24, 2002, 02:49:56 AM EDT
             Why I hate the Mac - (orion) - (2) - July 19, 2002, 02:50:43 PM EDT
                 I am your long lost sister - (Dark Phoenix 2) - (1) - July 30, 2002, 04:05:44 PM EDT
                     Sister, where have you been? - (orion) - July 31, 2002, 12:08:14 AM EDT
         They just are - (orion) - July 18, 2002, 12:28:09 PM EDT
         The Katt knows! - (orion) - (5) - July 18, 2002, 07:33:29 PM EDT
             Cute, but not to the point - (tjsinclair) - (4) - July 18, 2002, 09:52:12 PM EDT
                 But I already have it! - (snork) - (3) - July 19, 2002, 12:06:17 PM EDT
                     Good point - (tjsinclair) - (1) - July 19, 2002, 05:17:56 PM EDT
                         Can't argue with that - (snork) - July 21, 2002, 12:33:40 AM EDT
                     Yeah I know - (tuberculosis) - July 23, 2002, 05:09:37 PM EDT

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