Hey Orion!

Post #46,865 by boxley 7/25/02 3:32:25 PM Reply	Hey Orion! I smell class action lawsuit here and you could join in! [link\|http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html\|link ] "The lead plaintiff, 56-year-old maintenance supervisor Caesar Barber, ate at fast-food restaurants four or five times a week and blames his fatty diet for his obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure and cholesterol and the two heart attacks he has suffered. "I trace it all back to the high fat, grease and salt, all back to McDonald\ufffds, Wendy\ufffds, Burger King \ufffd there was no fast food I didn't eat, and I ate it more often than not because I was single, it was quick and I\ufffdm not a very good cook," Barber said in an interview with Foxnews.com. "It was a necessity, and I think it was killing me, my doctor said it was killing me, and I don't want to die." all you have to do is trave your depression to Mickey's , call and find out. thanx, bill ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #46,887 by Simon_Jester 7/25/02 6:02:25 PM Reply	so...was Subway served too? What about Jared? Poor fellow.
Post #46,905 by orion 7/25/02 8:03:14 PM Reply	I'm there dude! They shouldn't have made the food without issuing warnings that it may cause high blood pressure, obesity, and other things. At least Cigarettes warn about causing cancer in Rats, and people still sued and won over that. I did eat 3 or 4 times a week at fast food places while I worked. I didn't have time to make lunch most of the time, and most of my co-workers that I worked with invited me to lunch with them at the fast food places. Now we did go to Subway sometimes and other places, but mostly fast food places. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,942 by tablizer 7/25/02 11:42:18 PM Reply	Nutrient Density The cleanest measurement of nutrients and bad stuff is the "nutrient density" IMO. The "ideal" food would have every ingredient be a density of one. For example, if a food had a density of 1 for vitimin C, that would mean that you would get exactly the recommended dose if you ate nothing but that food (assuming normal caloric intake). 2 would mean you get twice the recommended amount if you ate nothing but that food. Thus, if a hamburger had a fat density of 2, then you know you are getting bad stuff. The current labels with Oz's of X are useless without a calculator (or quick math head). Anyhow, there is some recent evidence that fat intake is not the problem, but instead starch and sugar intake. It is still highly controversial, but the bottom line is that there is very little evidence that the fat percentage in one's diet is the primary cause of obesity, dispite common perceptions. There are a lot of skinney people in Asia, even office workers. Yet, the restaraunts often serve fatty meats such as pork. But, when asians move to the US, their children are just as likely to be chubby as anybody else. This is a mystery that has yet to be solved. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #46,952 by orion 7/26/02 12:16:20 AM Reply	Easily solved they don't have "Happy Meals" in Asia, or at least the Fast Food places are not as common there as they are here. Also everything here is served in large portions, and in Asia in small portions. I have a japanese friend who is 100% Japanese but was born here, he is larger than me. I suspect the American diet is different than the Japanese diet. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,015 by tuberculosis 7/26/02 9:18:43 AM Reply	Oh Puhleeezze What's in those meals is fully disclosed (in terms of fat, salt, etc). Don't believe me? Just ask for the nutritional handout at the restaurant. Its not my fault if I sell swimming pools and people drown in them. Because its common knowledge that PEOPLE CANT BREATHE WATER the same way its common knowledge that FAST FOOD ISN'T TERRIBLY GOOD FOR YOU AND MAKES YOU FAT. I personally believe the plaintiff should be simply shot on entering the court room. Time to take out the garbage. Its not particularly hard to find food that is quick that isn't that bad for you - if you try. And nobody says you have to eat the giant portions. I typically try to leave 10 to 50% of my meal on my plate when eating out in the US. At least here in France, the food is awesome but you don't get enough to gorge on. Portions are sane (some might say small - but I feel better after a meal here). I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #47,088 by orion 7/26/02 5:39:03 PM Reply	Oh Pluuzze yourself where on those nutritional charts did they warn us that eating their food can lead to high blood pressure, heart attacks, hardening of the arteries, irratible bowel disease, or other illnesses? At least cigarette smokers get warned that cigarette smoke causes cancer in lab rats. Even still, smokers were able to get a large sum of money from the tobacco companies despite the warnings. Thing is, the fast food is addictive. many of us got hooked on it before they even had nutritional charts, and even then they didn't warn us that eating the food for a long time could lead to many illnesses. I agree, it shouldn't be eaten, it is not fit for human consumption. But they always have specials in the store that give you a price break if you buy more food and drinks. Like that 59 cent Supersize for the value meals, what is up with that? Gives you a larger fries and a larger drink. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,107 by inthane-chan 7/26/02 8:41:37 PM Reply	Simple test: Did the entity in question conspire to conceal the health risks of consuming their product? In the case of the tobacco industry, it can pretty well be argued that they went out of their way to try and conceal what they had discovered themselves - that their own product was killing people. Has a similar smoking gun come out for the fast food industry? I.E., have they purposefully attempted to hide the fact that their food isn't good for you? I've known since about age 8 (22 years!) that fast food is most definitely BAD for you... There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #47,108 by orion 7/26/02 8:58:44 PM Reply	Yes they indeed did! They hide it all in commercial advertising that if you ate their food you would have a good time. But spending a week in a hospital because my colon got inflamed from 20+ years of eating Big Macs is not my idea of a good time. I was decieved by Ronald McDonald and other advertising gimmicks, into believing that the fast food was good to eat. Nowhere in their commercials did they reveal that eating fast food was bad for me, and that I would get seriously ill from eating their food over a long peroid of time. I honestly didn't really know it was bad for me until I started having GI problems in my late 20's. But the problem them was that I was already hooked on it and couldn't stop eating it. Currently I am too poor to eat at fast food joints, and my colon is healing, but it is still in a fvcked up condition. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,115 by inthane-chan 7/26/02 9:39:26 PM Reply	Not informing != Hiding information. The information was availible. McD's et. al. did not dispute the information, hide the information, nor make any claims about their food being healthy that I know of. Note the "that I know of." Apply similar reasoning to automobiles: Wait, nevermind, they actually DO hide safety information from the public. :P I do sympathize with your position, but a "free money grab" for what is a very legally shaky reason could lead to a "domino effect" - any product that might have injurious side effects that the company did not make an active effort to conceal - I.E., the information was there, and the company did not dispute that information - would become an instant target. As for the advertising, NEVER trust an advertisement. The whole idea behind an advertisement is to convince you that you are worthless unless you purchase something from the advertiser, whether or not you actually NEED the product. There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #47,126 by orion 7/26/02 11:03:54 PM Reply	No, the information was not available where was the information that consuming the food over a long peroid of time would cause colon issues? Did McDonald's print that on papers that I could read in their stores? No, they did not. They knew it was bad food, and they served it anyway. They have made no attempt to make their food healthier, or cause less of a chance to develop illnesses. I am not looking for millions of dollars, just a new colon. I don't want the money, I want my body back in the condition that it should be for my age. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,133 by inthane-chan 7/26/02 11:55:52 PM Reply	Yer missing the point. Something you do a lot of, honestly. It isn't McDonald's responsibility to inform you of the risks that their food may present to you. It is your responsibility as a consumer to evaluate the risks, based on availible information, just like it is the McFastFoodChain's responsibility to evaluate whether or not you are a customer that they will accept money from. (Is it your responsibility to inform the retailer, any retailer, if you have a shoddy credit history or a record of bouncing checks?) If a retailer actively tries to CONCEAL the fact that their product is bad for you, THEN they should be liable. That is different than NOT STATING that their product is bad for you, when you can find the information about the food from other locations, such as the library, various bookstores, the newspaper, etc. There are 10 types of people. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Post #47,145 by orion 7/27/02 12:36:06 AM Reply	Oh so it is perfectly legal to sell someone poison and call it food? How about expired food, a lot of stores do that, they don't even bother to check the expiration date and people buy it and eat it without checking the expiration date. Just ask Boxley about some cheese that he bought that way and the time he had to spend in the ER getting his stomach pumped. In any case, when McDonald's and KFC first came out, they told mothers to take a break and buy food from them instead of making it. That the food was the same from their place, as the kind she made. Which was false. So moms started bringing home a sack of hamburgers or a bucket of chicken instead of making a meal. Corps can get socked for selling contaminated beef that has the "Mad Cow" disease in it, but not for gut busting hamburgers that can cause colon cancer? Is this some sort of SNL skit, like where they sold dangerous Haloween costumes and dangerous toys, and claimed that it was not their fault? I want McDonald's and the others to serve healthy food, so that others do not get the same problems that I got. Is that too much to ask? Selling healthy food? Most Fast Food is not fit for human consumption. But they don't care, as long as they make a buck. They don't care that loyal customers like me suffer so much pain and discomfort. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,151 by pwhysall 7/27/02 1:11:45 AM Reply	Stay on topic, please. it is perfectly legal to sell someone poison and call it food? How about expired food, a lot of stores do that, they don't even bother to check the expiration date and people buy it and eat it without checking the expiration date. Just ask Boxley about some cheese that he bought that way and the time he had to spend in the ER getting his stomach pumped. This is not relevant to the discussion at hand. If you have evidence that McDonalds sell products that are, in the eyes of the law, unfit for human consumption, please show it. I should note that I'm not particularly interested in odd cases, because accidents happen and employees foul up - what you are claiming is systematic sale of unfit food. If something is actually harmful per se, then it must be labelled thus. Burgers are not actually harmful per se. In any case, when McDonald's and KFC first came out, they told mothers to take a break and buy food from them instead of making it. That the food was the same from their place, as the kind she made. Which was false. So moms started bringing home a sack of hamburgers or a bucket of chicken instead of making a meal. So? "Moms" are grown adults, who vote and drive cars. They are capable of making informed decisions about what to feed their families. Apparently. Corps can get socked for selling contaminated beef that has the "Mad Cow" disease in it, but not for gut busting hamburgers that can cause colon cancer? Evidence? Is this some sort of SNL skit, like where they sold dangerous Haloween costumes and dangerous toys, and claimed that it was not their fault? No. I want McDonald's and the others to serve healthy food, so that others do not get the same problems that I got. Is that too much to ask? Selling healthy food? Most Fast Food is not fit for human consumption. But they don't care, as long as they make a buck. They don't care that loyal customers like me suffer so much pain and discomfort. What is "most fast food", and why is it "unfit for human consumption"? If you mean that fast food alone is not a balanced diet, then you'd be right. That's where your cognitive abilities come in, and you EAT SOMETHING ELSE. McDonalds have no obligation to you beyond selling you products that are fit for human consumption in the eyes of the law, and are producing using a process that breaks no laws. As long as McDonalds comply with all relevant legislation, they are discharging their responsibility to you, the customer. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #47,152 by orion 7/27/02 1:28:20 AM Reply	Evidence my colon problems, and the problems that others have that are involved in this suit should be evidence enough that fast food is unfit for human consumption. Would you like the results of my coloscopy or something? After avoiding fast food, I have been doing a lot better, but still in a lot of pain. But I suppose that pain and suffering as a result of a company's negilgence is not good enough reason to change the way they do business? A lot of the hamburgers were half-cooked and red inside, or made to sit under a heat lamp for hours until it resembled some kind of rubber product. We must protect the consumer from this type of food and make fast food places serve healthier food. I am not asking for a multi-million dollar settlement, I just want the corps to take responsibility for their actions and make an effort to make their food healthier. Why? Apparently most citizens are hooked on fast food and it has made us obease and a lot sicker than he should be. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,153 by pwhysall 7/27/02 1:44:39 AM Reply	Re: Evidence my colon problems, and the problems that others have that are involved in this suit should be evidence enough that fast food is unfit for human consumption. Would you like the results of my coloscopy or something? Your colon problems, unfortunate though they are, are evidence of nothing other than your diet was unsuitable or that you had some other physical issue. After avoiding fast food, I have been doing a lot better, but still in a lot of pain. But I suppose that pain and suffering as a result of a company's negilgence is not good enough reason to change the way they do business? A lot of the hamburgers were half-cooked and red inside, or made to sit under a heat lamp for hours until it resembled some kind of rubber product. We must protect the consumer from this type of food and make fast food places serve healthier food. I am not asking for a multi-million dollar settlement, I just want the corps to take responsibility for their actions and make an effort to make their food healthier. Why? Apparently most citizens are hooked on fast food and it has made us obease and a lot sicker than he should be. EAT SOMETHING ELSE THEN. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #47,138 by boxley 7/27/02 12:02:36 AM Reply	Hey when yall self rightious fooks :) pay 8 bucks for a cheesburger like I pay 4 for a pack of chokers you might think twice about bandwagon science. thanx, bill ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #47,373 by screamer 7/29/02 2:18:46 PM Reply	Thanks for the summary Bill As always, spot on. I took a lot of these same schmucks to task about this same issue about four years ago and had similar results. We'll see how it plays out now that the "hypothetical" lawsuit I was warning about is now a "real" lawsuit. You been benefitting greatly from the "education campaign" that the tobacco settlement money is being used for. Or for health care in general? ... or is all that money just being pissed away on roads so that more fucking harmful cars can choke us out? Thought so. Thank God that at least the lawyers can afford to buy the SUV's to kill themselves with. :-) Just a few thoughts, Screamer As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all J. Lennon - Working Class Hero
Post #47,398 by Ashton 7/29/02 6:02:20 PM Reply	Heh:_____ National Lawyer Day! {swirling brownish mist + theremin music + the Sweet Stench of Success} {Ad assembles itself from the detritus ...} Chip-in and buy your lawyer the UAV with the Highest-CG available + underinflated Firestones rescued from the recycle heap (only ~ 16 % o' those rollovers were from any kind o'tire anyway) Make clear how.. humiliated! you will feel if s/he does not use this vehicle every day! (no fair bringin the SL-500 to work) <<< Think ya gots a Winner, Dan :-\ufffd
Post #47,435 by mhuber 7/30/02 1:18:34 AM Reply	You got roads? We just got a bogus "balanced budget" for the year to cover the old Gov's financial shennanigans. ---- United we stand Divided we dominate the planet without really trying
Post #47,215 by tuberculosis 7/27/02 5:16:35 PM Reply	Bull "where on those nutritional charts did they warn us that eating their food can lead to high blood pressure, heart attacks, hardening of the arteries, irratible bowel disease, or other illnesses?" These are CHEESEBURGERS!!! Its [link\|http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=fried+fast+food+meat+heart+disease+salt+blood+pressure&btnG=Google+Search\|COMMON KNOWLEDGE] that they are not particularly good for you if eaten in quantity. But look, if someone can't quite figure this out with this level of warning, maybe they ought to be out of the gene pool. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #47,218 by orion 7/27/02 5:34:47 PM Reply	Re: Bull But look, if someone can't quite figure this out with this level of warning, maybe they ought to be out of the gene pool. </i. Maybe I should, but all attempts to kill myself have failed thus far. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,238 by tuberculosis 7/27/02 7:48:43 PM Reply	Norman That's not a happy message and I didn't specifically mean you. I don't think working on suing the fast food companies is the best use of your valuable time. I do think working on either your career or a degree is the best thing for you long term. Very important: I also want you to proceed directly to the nearest emergency room immediately if you have even a hint of a plan for causing yourself harm or even if things are just seeming unbearable right now. If we were on the same continent and the phone charges weren't going to break us I'd invite you to phone me and talk about it. Even if you don't go to the ER, I think you need to see your physician at the earliest opportunity. Something is not quite right and neither I, nor anyone else here wants to see you in miserable or in pain. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #47,243 by orion 7/27/02 9:36:22 PM Reply	Forget the doctors all I seem to do is rack up medical bills that I cannot pay off, or that take a long time to pay off. My wife's insurance doesn't cover much. They'll stick me in a hospital, make sure that my blood pressure goes down, hold me for a week, and then discharge me until it happens again. Then they will futz with my medicine again and I'll have to go through an adjustment, then a month or so later I'll be back in the hospital again. I do not want this, but it seems it happens to me anyway. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,247 by tuberculosis 7/27/02 11:06:39 PM Reply	Medicine isn't an exact science Drug regimes take time to debug and everyone is different. I sympathize with the bills though. It does seem like you're paying for their learning time. I would try to focus your energies on improving what you can control. The fast food industry isn't one of those things. Your education is. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #47,249 by orion 7/28/02 12:06:51 AM Reply	Re: Medicine isn't an exact science paying for the bills and I have no reliable source of income, save what my wife makes. Unemployment isn't much and it is about to run out. I can't even get hired at these fast food joints. I am not even sure if I am able to handle classes, I'll try to take what I can. The problem is in financing it and getting those loans approved. I don't have much control over that as well. Just about everything that could go wrong, has gone wrong for me. Everything is beyond my control so far. There is very little that I do have control over. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,266 by Another Scott 7/28/02 10:57:14 AM Reply	It can always be worse. You've actually got it pretty good right now. Yes, you really do. You need to recognize that. You've got a family. You've got a home. Your wife has a job and your family has some income from her job and your unemployment benefits. You've got training in a field where you can make a living to support yourself in a job you like. You've got work experience in your field. You can learn new skills. Lots of people don't have some or any of that. For example, my mother is 500 miles away. She's 64, unemployed, has no medical insurance, has a car with 325k miles on it that is totally worn out and won't stay on the road, her electricity and gas are going to be turned off soon due to nonpayment, she was in an auto accident last week and did $500 in damage to someone else's motorcycle, had her licence confiscated by the State Patrol due to lack of car insurance, and is now in the hospital because she had a stroke a few hours after the accident. (She never told me about the situation she was in, so all of this hit me like a ton of bricks. She's getting help from a social agency where she lives, but things are up in the air until she's ready to be released from the hospital. At that point I'll have a better idea of what I can do to help re bills, car, etc., etc.) Is she depressed? Yes. Is she moaning about how unfair life is? No. You see, she's been in desperate situations before and has always been able to find a way out. She will this time too. As long as she has the will to fight, she has and will get through her problems. We don't have debtors prisons in America. There are always ways to get help with financial and other problems if you're willing to seek and accept help. You need to get out of this funk you're in. Quit spending so much time here on IWeThey. It doesn't seem that our advice to you is doing much good. In fact, it seems to me that it makes things worse because you feel the need to justify your position. You need to talk with someone that can shake you out of your mindset. Go to church this morning and talk with your pastor after the service. Tell him/her you're depressed and you can't seem to see anything good about your situation. Tell him/her you don't know how the future is going to work out. Accept his or her help. Take their advice. Stop looking for a magic wand (college classes, a job, better medical treatment, winning a lawsuit, etc.) to wave all your problems away. Life is full of problems and you're going to have problems all your life. We all do. You've got to find a way to work your way through them. You're not going to get a job by bombarding companies with resumes. You're going to get a job by figuring out what you want to do then finding a place where you want to work, and then figuring out what it takes to make yourself the best candidate. (That means getting to know someone at the company - most jobs are filled by friend-of-a-friend referrals, not want ads.) And doing what it takes! Best of luck. And hang in there. No need to reply to this. It's a new day. Make it the first day of your new beginning. Cheers, Scott.
Post #47,270 by a6l6e6x 7/28/02 1:00:45 PM Reply	Well said. Alex "Television: chewing gum for the eyes." -- Frank Lloyd Wright
Post #47,281 by Ashton 7/28/02 4:26:44 PM Reply	Amen.
Post #47,087 by orion 7/26/02 5:34:40 PM Reply	McDonald's owes me a new colon! Forget money, I want a new colon! After I eat at McDoanld's, ever their grilled McChicken sandwhich, I can feel the damage it does. I basically have an adominal migrane passing all the stuff from the fast food. Maybe all my nightmares about Ronald McDonald were a warning not to eat at McDonald's? Their food is high in sodium, high in fat, high in greese, and goes through your colon like a lead balloon. A pity the web site does not say how I could join the class action lawsuit. Any ideas? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,139 by boxley 7/27/02 12:03:22 AM Reply	call them on the phone ."Once, in the wilds of Afghanistan, I had to subsist on food and water for several weeks." W.C. Fields
Post #47,169 by hnick 7/27/02 9:54:51 AM Reply	Don't worry about it... You already have a fatal disease: stupidity. If you know the food is bad or disagrees with you and you still buy it, you are a fucking moron. If you think that a corporation that puts out the cheapest food to sell to the largest segment of their market is going to change their operation because you have a delicate gut, you are a fucking moron. They don't owe you shit much less a colon to process it. You paid a trivial amount of change for a hand meal. You got it. That is the extent of the transaction. They don't provide medical analysis. If they knowingly used diseased/contaminated ingredients, they would be in the wrong. They don't. It's too expensive do so. Stupidity is and should be fatal. Unfortunately society tends to slow the process down to the point where it is no longer quickly fatal. >>Any ideas? Well, other than taking responsibility for your own actions (yeah, unthinkable, I know), your best bet is to employ lawyers (more unproductive leeches on society) to release you from your need to contribute to society. Eventually, enough of you will overload the system, society will fail, and you will get your just desert. You'll probably bitch about that as well. An intelligent person would: Analyze their problems. Research the best diet to correct the problems that is readily available. Stick to the diet and get well. and QUIT FUCKING WHINING.
Post #47,175 by orion 7/27/02 10:54:27 AM Reply	Once again evil triumphs because good is dumb. I didn't know until it was too late, nobody told me, and there was no warnings. Also the food is addictive and it is hard to quit. I don't eat there now; however, what about other people? My condition is so bad, at times I had considered suicide. Yet I see now that nobody cares about my condition, and that fast food joints will continue to pump toxic food into the public without issuing warnings that prolonged exposer to the food will cause illnesses. Once again a majority of the public does not check the food they eat, they figure if the fast food joint is allowed to sell it, then it must be good food. If a car is defective, it is pulled off the market, if a hamburger is defective it gets served anyway. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,183 by hnick 7/27/02 12:02:04 PM Reply	And once again... Hamburgers are not evil. Even poor quality hamburgers are not evil. "Good" is not necessarily dumb. Can be kinda foolish at times, for various degrees of "Good". Chain burgers have a lot of fat and salt. Fat and salt taste "good". Reasonable quantities of fat and salt are even necessary (you flat out need sodium, you might get away with fat substitutes but I wouldn't want to.)If you eat excess amounts of fat and salt you become obese and risk other problems, bad bowels, say. The chains are going to continue to sell cheap hamburgers. It's what they do for a living. Their burgers are not, of themselves, more toxic than Visual Basic or other main stream ickys. The majority of the public that you worry about ARE cattle. The only thing that keeps them from becoming a hamburger is a lack of a government stamp. The intellegent members of society are supposed to have gone to school where they are supposed to learn the basics of what makes the body go. If you get sick or think you have problems, you should know how to do basic research. I am comfortably certain you have access the the internet. You probably have access to a library (the cards are free or at least cheap.) Dietary information is not classified or even hidden. Surgeon Generals have been screaming from any pulpit they can access about the diet of USA citizens for as long as I can remember. You can eat healthy if you want. The healthy food can also taste good if you do a little research. It is also cheaper than eating at a chain fast food joint (A pound of chicken thighs costs 89 cents (last Saturday), pounded flat, seasoned with 20 cents of spices/herbs, and sauteed in a little olive oil, cooks down to about a pound of chicken. Serve with a slice of cheese on bread with lettuce, you feed 4 cheaper than going to a fast food place, and take less time than driving there and back.)Recipes and how-tos are available from the net or library. Fast food was not perpetrated upon you. You did it to your own self. Take responsibility and quit whining.
Post #47,192 by orion 7/27/02 2:20:41 PM Reply	There is a point here I was not made aware of the dangers. Fast Food caters to those who do not have time to make their own meals. If they do not have time to make their own meals, they certainly do not have time to research the food and dietary concerns of the fast food. My time was spent trying to earn an education and work at a job to work on a career, not become an expert dietician. While Ronald McDonald didn't cram Big Macs into my mouth, I was like others decieved by McDonald's false advertising and marketing gimmicks about their products. My parents took me to fast food places when I was young, and I got hooked on them. That addiction is hard to break. My parents still eat at fast food joints, and they take my son there against my wishes. My wife also takes my son there, she is an LPN and should know better, but she does so anyway. Most fast food joints would be burned to the ground if they gave out the truth about their products. But instead they choose to hide that truth that prolonged eating of their food can cause serious illnesses. They've know this for many years and haven't done anything about it. But, oh, go ahead and take their side. After all, you aren't the one with the inflamed colon and serious health illnesses. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,200 by hnick 7/27/02 3:17:15 PM Reply	Oh come now.. Of course you were made aware of the dangers. Surgeons General for the last 30 years have been preaching about diet and health issues. Television has specials about health problems in the country. You can't go a week without reading something in the newspaper. If you are unaware of the dangers, you have been living in a reclusive monastary and are in no danger from McCrap. I learned basics of diet and such in grade school and maybe high school. This stuff is not a secret. It shouldn't have interfered with your absorbtion of Visual Basic... McDonalds did not lie about anything as far as I know. They sell cheap (more or less) fast (more or less) food (more or less). The use salt and fat to make it taste good. The food is certainly not addictive. Lazyness may be. You can eat the stuff and live. If you can't tolerate the gup, DON'T EAT IT. As I pointed out earlier, you can eat cheaper (I seem to recall that this is a concern for you), and healther if you want to. The dangers are from excess, not the grease burger. That is an individual sort of thing. If you order a McGlutton burger and supersize it, that's a reflection on you, not the chain. Again, they are not doing anything wrong except cosseting your own vices. You could of course, take the point of view that they shouldn't do that, like a bartender cutting you off when you've had a few too many. Or you could take responsibility and quit whining.
Post #47,201 by orion 7/27/02 4:08:16 PM Reply	I've gotten to the point that I am unable to take responsibility because of my illnesses both mental and physical. I am real close to filing for disability. It is not within my power to take responsibility for anyway, even if I wanted to. All things are pretty much out of my control anyway. I'm better off dead than to be this ill. Besides, nobody else seems to take responsibility for their actions anymore anyway. Here at least I have a legitamate gripe, and have others that are in the same boat as me. We put our trust in the fast food industry, and that trust was betrayed. If the surgen general was serious about health risks of fast food, they would have put warning labels on them the same as they did for cigarettes. Even still, those who read the warning labels still were able to sue ciagette comapnies and claim billions for their pain. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,202 by hnick 7/27/02 4:19:11 PM Reply	Whatever... Cry to your lawyer. I'm done here
Post #47,219 by orion 7/27/02 5:36:18 PM Reply	Can't cry anymore I ran out of tears ten years ago, I've been dry ever since. There is no True Justice in this world. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,274 by CRConrad 7/28/02 1:42:41 PM Reply	Whatever you do - first change your .sig, because... ...as it is right now, you're making a mockery of it. Christian R. Conrad Microsoft is a true reflection of Bill Gates' personality - the sleaziest, most unethical, ugliest little rat's ass the world has seen unto this time. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=42971\|Andrew Grygus]
Post #47,205 by Ashton 7/27/02 4:29:56 PM Reply	See above: it's passed on from parent --> child via magical psych processes generally lumped-together and called dumbth. But since you report that you were Genuinely Surprised\ufffd to hear - quite later on - about the effects of the years of greaseburgers (despite all the lore which sane people kept tryin to tell the reglar folks since ~Day 1) will try and recap for ya: You Know about Advertising! - there is no field I can think of better able to Teach That than "IT" (except the peddling of pharm-chem crap to all and sundry, including lazy, undereducated Drs.). OK Few fields anyway.. which more often teach the simple fact that: ALL ADS ARE LIES, in at least SOME respect. They are neither 'information' nor knowledge: they are lies to get you to buy Anything you are stupid enough to be seduced into imagining that you Want == Need! next or ... ... very soon: MUST Have. << No. "it wasn't brought to your attention" ... with a lead 2x4, and on a 15-minute cycle - or whatever is your attention span (?) And if you subordinated all ideas of personal care, survival - to learning cockamamie shit like Vee Bee and hash tables? WTF do ya think that makes You? (NOT 'makes': McDonalds Eat Me! or Chevrolet built-like-a-Rock for Rock-heads or Merck Buy My Nostrum + read the side effects Vols. I and II) In case it hadn't dawned yet on the deepest levels: Bizness Itself is about the seduction of the unwary and especially - the unteachable. (Even "business" BB, Before Billy, was identical: just less rapacious and less obviously run on pure greed 24/7) Just.. check the "mission statements" if this is news to ya. As in {sheesh} Ashton
Post #47,217 by orion 7/27/02 5:28:01 PM Reply	It wasn't brought to my attention they skipped over it in health class in grade school because we were behind, they skipped a lot of chapters actually. It wasn't as important to learn, or so the teachers thought, as other stuff. Public Education is not all it is cracked up to be anyway, I barely comprehend English just ask CRC about that. Most of the information that I got over my lifetime came from a TV set. With special advertisement about just about anything. I was told that fast food was healthy, and that if I ate it, that the world would be a wonderful place. As a kid, I was not aware that TV could lie to you. I was not aware that MegaCorps made tons of money off of other people's misery. I was not aware that MegaCorps could sell unhealthy food that eventually will come back and make me sicker if I continued to eat it. I only learned this stuff as an adult, after I kept getting sick and had no idea why I kept getting sick. My doctor kept telling me that I must have had the flu, but I seemed to get it a lot. I ended up in the emergancy room a lot, they knew I was in pain, high blood pressure, fever, sharp adominal pains, but had no idea why. It wasn't until later that they found out that I had problems with my Colon and Stomach. But when that happened, it was too late to do anything to reverse it. I've been living in Hell ever since. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,227 by hnick 7/27/02 6:16:36 PM Reply	Ok.. You need to get your meds checked. As close to immediately as you can manage. No excuses. See your doctor Real Soon. If he won't see you get emergency help. This is fucked up by any standards. You need help. You should get it NOW. I'm not picking on you. I'm serious. Get help.
Post #47,244 by orion 7/27/02 9:38:30 PM Reply	They don't care I talked with my doctor about it, he told me to take the med by supper instead of bedtime. Didn't help. As long as he can charge my insurance company for it. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,273 by CRConrad 7/28/02 1:39:59 PM Reply	Didn't your MOTHER tell you fucking ANYTHING ?!?
Post #47,224 by Andrew Grygus 7/27/02 5:58:33 PM Reply	The degree of unawareness you claim . . . . is way beyond that of construction workers, tractor mechanics and big rig drivers (except maybe in the South), so I can give it no credence. We are all dealt unequal hands and have to play them as dealt. If you got an overly sensitive colon, it would make sense to take note and be careful, not to blame "evil corporate capitalists" for wrecking it. A lot of people eat a lot of stuff at fast food joints, and I don't here 'em bitching about their colons. No one can take responsibility for you except yourself. That's just the way it works. You need to stand up, fess up and clean up, or accept the consequences without bitching - or do you expect one day to stand in judgement and say, "Huh? What do you mean? Jesus is supposed to take care of all that stuff isn't he?". [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #47,245 by orion 7/27/02 9:44:30 PM Reply	Never thought about it, until it was too late. Nobody ever went over a dietrary plan with me, until after I already had the problems. So I guess that means I am dense, eh? Lower than truck drivers and construction workers? Guess that is why I only got an Assocites instead of a Bachlors. Guess that is why I learned Visual BASIC instead of Java or C++? Sucks to be me. I'm already living through my own Hell, the real Hell cannot be any worse than this. What's to be afraid of, most of you guys don't believe in an Afterlife anyway? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,246 by Another Scott 7/27/02 9:57:54 PM Reply	It's not too late. You've got lots of time. Use it wisely.
Post #47,188 by wharris2 7/27/02 1:09:31 PM Reply	A McColon? (retch) The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #47,178 by orion 7/27/02 11:07:51 AM Reply	McSpotlight [link\|http://www.mcspotlight.org/\|[link\|http://www.mcspotlight.org/\|http://www.mcspotlight.org/]] *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #47,186 by ben_tilly 7/27/02 1:07:59 PM Reply	Welcome to the idea of an "implicit warranty" This takes it to ridiculous extremes, but it is a valid legal concept. If I sell you something, I also (like it or not) sold you an implicit warranty that it was good for doing whatever I said it would do. If it isn't, and you suffer harm for that misrepresentation, I am liable. In this case it is stupid. Eating McDonalds every so often won't kill you in much less than the usual lifespan. I have as little sympathy for people complaining how unhealthy eating McDonalds is all of the time than I would for someone who complained that eating only fruit lead to vitamin deficiencies, time to sue the fruit vendor! But in general I think the basic idea of an implicit warranty is a good meld between common expectations and reasonable ethical behaviour. Which is why I don't like it that Microsoft etc deliberately avoid actually selling you anything so that there is nothing implicitly warrantied for them to be liable for... Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman
Post #47,207 by Ashton 7/27/02 4:43:02 PM Reply	Good McMicrosoft point: rent! don't sell__________{ugh} 'Hell' must be: a fantasy place run entirely by lawyers (on Windoze) Waitaminnit: don't we already - -
Post #47,933 by orion 8/3/02 2:45:41 AM Reply	OT: The Many Faces of Ronald McDonald [link\|http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/ronaldmcdonald/\|[link\|http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/ronaldmcdonald/\|http://www.b3ta.com...aldmcdonald/]] *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*

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