Well excuse me for not having a job

Post #46,733 by orion 7/24/02 1:16:31 PM Reply	Well excuse me for not having a job and not being able to find a job. Maybe I should just open mouth and insert shotgun now? I should have done that back in November 2001, when I still had $500,000USD in life insurance policy that covered suicide. I would have been dead, but at least my family would have been better off finacially. So far I am competing with Microsoft Certified people for $30K/year jobs that take over an hour to drive to because they are in South Buttfck Saint Louis County way way away from real civilization. Then they decide to not hire me because I do not have a Microsoft Certification. Meanwhile kids fresh out of College or even High School can earn $38K/year at a Helpdesk job. It just isn't a bed of roses for us all you know. I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,739 by admin 7/24/02 1:33:43 PM Reply	"It just isn't a bed of roses for us all you know." Likewise, it isn't a bowl of shit for us all you know. So, when you come and post: I and I am sure the rest of you are fed up that we IT workers always take abuse and almost always are the first ones to be let go in a downsizing. (emphasis added) then excuse me for not agreeing with your stance. Because I'm not fed up, because it isn't like that everywhere. I empathize with you and your unemployment, but I don't hate my job because of it... which is the opinion you were trying to force into my mouth. You have decided that keeping your wife is more important than finding a job easily. Same decision I would have made in the same situation, but you can hardly complain about how difficult it is to find a decent job in St. Louis when you have made a conscious decision not to leave that city. To paraphrase Sam Kinnison: "Go where the jobs is!" Or if not, understand that it is your decision not to do so. But don't make sweeping generalizations about everywhere else, just because you don't like the situation in St. Louis. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #46,745 by orion 7/24/02 2:29:39 PM Reply	What do you suggest? If there was an IT Union, I'd still have a job now and would have been treated better. What do you suggest be done for those of us that have been abused in the past, and cannot find a job? Areas like St. Louis have employers that are big IT abusers, they would rather hire H1B Visa Workers or hire others out of state to fill jobs than hire local talent. The first sign of trouble and they let IT workers go, if they can they hire new ones at way below the average salary for the area. Like I really had a choice anyway? My love for my wife is stronger than my need to work in Huntsville Alabama or some other place like Fcking Ohio or Connecticut or where ever they don't treat IT workers like sht? Speaking of which, companies that treat IT Workers like sht tend to have a large turn-around. The IT workers either quit, or get fired. There should be Anti-Discrimination Laws for IT workers. They don't even treat secretaries or even janitors this way. I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,746 by Another Scott 7/24/02 2:34:18 PM Reply	Jobs -> Show All Threads. Read earlier suggestions.
Post #46,751 by orion 7/24/02 2:46:10 PM Reply	Didn't work I cannot find a low paying job. I'm working on getting fiancing for getting a college degree, nobody wants to lend money to an unemployed IT worker down on his luck apparently. I'm working on program designs, but lost my notebook that I was writing them in and cannot find it. Plus I cannot find a market to sell my programs to, and others have tried to do that and failed. No matter how hard I try, I just cannot seem to get anywhere. It is like there is a big conspiracy against me and it is widespread in this area. Everyone is doing their best to try and drive me nuts and act ignorant against me. Like I am on some sort of black list or something. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,761 by tuberculosis 7/24/02 4:56:44 PM Reply	No degree? No wonder! If you don't have a 4 year degree (in anything - need not be IT) then your resume isn't making the first cut. When times are good and workers are scarce hiring standards drop. But during lean times companies can afford to be choosy and raise standards. The first thing they do to pare down the number of resumes submitted is to toss out the non college degree applicants. Unless you have killer skills in rare technologies, you need a degree. So you might as well go back to school. I had a GF in the same predicament. She's a great intuitive data modeler but didn't have a degree for a long time. Finally the stuff she was good at was out of date (adios primeos and idms) and she couldn't get a job. Back to school for 2 years (had a degree mostly finished) and she got hired shortly after graduating. It was a crappy job - the first one, but once you have one you can usually trade up. Plus I agree with Scott. I'm liking my current job. My home is Denver - all telcos and telco is on its ass. So there's no jobs and I can't go home. But there seems to be a shortage of decent IT workers in France. My turn to exploit the visa issue. You gotta either move to the jobs or switch to something you can do where you are. I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration. Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
Post #46,764 by orion 7/24/02 5:51:41 PM Reply	I'm working on it I have an Associates in Data Processing, it used to be enough back in 1997, but apparently no longer. I am already talking with two local colleges over the Fall Semester, and have been applying for student loans. So far, no loan approved yet, but there is still my wife's Credit Union to go to tomorrow. My VB 6.0 skills are already out of date as VB.NET has taken over. I've seen ads for local jobs that required three years of .NET experience, and the fcker hasn't even been out for a year yet! I don't think that local HR departments have a clue these days. I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,819 by deSitter 7/25/02 10:50:06 AM Reply	Resume Scanners Most resumes are never seen by human eyes. A resume screener auto-circular-files the ones lacking buzzwords and phrases. I think Matloff quoted something like 3% generating even an interview, and 25% of that a hire. -drl
Post #46,831 by orion 7/25/02 12:15:56 PM Reply	Also sometimes the resume scanner rejects resumes based on fonts it cannot read, paper too thick to work with the reader (they may not have a flatbed scanner), and if the resume papers are stapled sometimes the HR people just toss it because they don't want to remove the staple to scan in the resume. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,871 by mhuber 7/25/02 4:14:39 PM Reply	What about adding a line like: "BA in Computer Science from Princeton - I wish I had one!" That will get past inorganics. Unfortunately, it won't get past droids. ---- United we stand Divided we dominate the planet without really trying
Post #46,892 by orion 7/25/02 6:33:00 PM Reply	Droids sure you can fool the computer scanners, but the droids will reject it. Plus if it did make it past the droids, management may not be impressed by that comment and toss it out anyway. The idea is to make something that can pass the scanners, the droids, and the management. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,917 by Ashton 7/25/02 8:50:39 PM Reply	Please, please resist the urge to explain the obvious Every time? (there are in Fact: very few Martians who read this stuff and need that level of explanation?) (? added for your comfort & convenience) Ashton found below: Thank you for making a simple LRPD very happy.
Post #46,820 by deSitter 7/25/02 10:50:54 AM Reply	Resume Scanners Most resumes are never seen by human eyes. A resume screener auto-circular-files the ones lacking buzzwords and phrases. I think Matloff quoted something like 3% generating even an interview, and 25% of that a hire. -drl

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