Post #46,567
7/23/02 4:58:34 PM
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Some articles on Palladium
[link|http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2002/0715bradner.html|Not quite Independence Day] For one thing, to deliver on these promises Palladium implementations will have to be bug-free. "Bug-free" and Microsoft are not often associated concepts. But a bigger worry is that Palladium could be too good at what it's designed to do. Microsoft could use Palladium to control what software could run on your computer, a government could use it to control what you could see on the Internet, or a PC vendor could make it impossible for you to sell your used computer. People could send e-mail that only the intended recipient could read, a neat feature if you are Bill Gates about to be hauled into court, but not so good if you want to prove that someone is harassing you. Not exactly Independence Day concepts. [link|http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2002/0715kearns.html|I'm from Microsoft, and I'm here to help you] There needs to be better security for our computers - but the bulk of the security problems are caused by Microsoft applications, not by the operating system. Fix the flaws in the apps, Redmond, then try to develop security conscious apps. Security is important, but not important enough to give up all of my privacy. [link|http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2002/0715gibbs.html|Longing for the good ol' days] Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, let me offer you Exhibit A - Microsoft Passport. Intended to be a single sign-on system that would manage and selectively express your identity online to Web sites and services, Passport has been found to have security holes big enough to drive a bus through, and its "benefits" are largely based on making it easier to buy stuff. Not exactly the profile of a strategic IT solution.
My guess is that unless Microsoft manages to pull some kind of systems engineering rabbit out of its virtual hat, Palladium will be buggy and hard to administer, and do more to secure the Microsoft stranglehold over OEMs and users than solve the problems of secure, reliable computing.
=== Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #46,593
7/23/02 5:54:42 PM
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Kearns objects to Palladium
because he thinks it won't be secure - because it's to be open-sourced. He believes in security throuch obscurity. While publishing the source code might assuage Microsoft's competitors, it would be a boon to the crackers who want to find a way to evade the security system. The locks on your door and an alarm system aren't much help against a burglar armed with the system's blueprints! Idiot. If knowing the system's blueprints was enough, your 'security' system was rudimentary at best in the first place.
Imric's Tips for Living- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #46,647
7/24/02 12:12:42 AM
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The problem is that MS Marketing has too much control.
Which, whilst it has given Microsoft some spectacular successes, it is definitely now a liability. Opinionist and developer Dave Winer had [link|http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2002/07/20#palladiumBriefing|this] to say about Palladium. Excerpt: I got a briefing yesterday from some Microsoft people on Palladium. It was an interesting but depressing meeting. They're putting a lot of effort into something that no one I know wants. Wade.
"Ah. One of the difficult questions."
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Post #46,650
7/24/02 12:54:09 AM
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'Want' might have nothing to do with it
>>They're putting a lot of effort into something that no one I know wants.
ObParanoia: It's conceivable that they're simply anticipating the US making Palladium mandatory.
Tom Sinclair "Subverting Young Minds Since 03/13/2000"
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Post #46,687
7/24/02 9:06:23 AM
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"the fix is in"
Which is why thier 'punishment' for abusing their monopoly is a 'settlement' that tightens the control they already have over the market (explicitly permitting -nay, requiring - the SAME BEHAVIOUR that got them hauled into court in the first place). Palladium will be unescapable by law, and individuals will not be able to actually use programs they compile themselves - making it child's play to trojan eavesdropping software into everyone's computer (while simultaneously elimninating the only threat MS had to thier monopoly - the people themselves). Heck - they don't really need to trojan that stuff in - the wmp eula already gives MS the right right to monitor and delete any file or program on the PC.
Imric's Tips for Living- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #46,698
7/24/02 9:58:48 AM
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No paranoia at all
Like I said [link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FUDHighFlyingSchmidt|on the TWiki], they've been palnning this for a while.
=== Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #46,702
7/24/02 10:26:24 AM
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Not at all
"Marketing in control" is how Microsoft got where they are, and there's no reason to think it isn't going to continue working.
Nobody wants it? One of the major functions of marketing is to generate "needs" for things nobody wanted. These "needs" may not be real, but they very most certainly do sell the product - witness SUVs.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
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Post #46,889
7/25/02 6:14:00 PM
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I think other things drove (pardon the pun) SUV's.
An SUV is classified as a light truck and isn't subject to CAFE fuel mileage standards like regular cars are. A station wagon was classified as a car, and the auto manufacturers found it pretty hard to squeeze them into the standards. When the family of five went to buy transport, rather than buying the trusty 'ole station wagon they either had to squeeze into some other car (all of which were getting smaller and smaller - no more "built like a tank" roomy 1971 Buicks) or ... hmmmm, what's this thing over here?
Boxy vans were "in" for a while, but geez those things looked (and look) ugly. They tried to sleek them up and make them sexier, which worked somewhat, but whoever it was that came up with the SUV somehow had the right combination of looks and room and people started getting the damn things even when they didn't need them.
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Post #46,941
7/25/02 11:41:45 PM
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Selling deathtraps is part of marketing.
Specing the right combo of features and appearance is what marketeers are paid for. Convincing people that a 20% improvement in surviving a head-on is worth accepting a 500% increase in likelihood of being killed in a roll-over** - that's marketing at it's finest. Convincing the prols that 12 miles/gallon is normal and completely acceptable is marketing beyond the call of duty.
Listen, I don't have a (working) TV, but I see the SUV ads over at Tinhorn Flats when I stop for a beer, and let me tell you, the emotional manipulation I see there is totally beyond the pail. Anybody tries to justify an SUV to me, by any means whatever, I picture those ads and say "Yeah, Right".
**Firestone tires accounted for just 14% of SUV rollover deaths.
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Post #46,972
7/26/02 3:26:51 AM
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Re: Selling deathtraps is part of marketing.
I'm trying hard to both try to reason out the "why" of SUV's and rationalize how it is that they became so big, so prevalent.
I *hate* it, going into a grocery store parking lot, parking, coming back, and finding I'm surrounded by SUV's that limit my visibility to zero when I'm trying to back out of my parking space. (Introduce some regulation requiring mirrors on SUV's? Har har.)
CAFE is a failure anyway; we use more oil than ever before. Apply some mileage standards to SUV's, and the auto companies would find some way around it anyway. With the exception of pollution control devices like the catalytic converter, we'd be better off (IMO) without CAFE entirely. (And I'm sure you can make arguments that those converters are more expensive in disposal than a non-equipped car.)
The law of Unintended Consequences: Gubmint makes laws, people follow them to the letter. The letter never being what was intended. ("Homeland security department"? Oh god.)
The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
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