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Post #45,513
by folkert
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7/14/02 3:05:57 AM
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New Now...
That we understand each other... Bryce leave it at that...

I know that frameworks are in everything that are programmed... It is just a matter of taste in the way you do things...

You can really(technically feasible but not reccomended)) even do assembly in an OO way... just like you can do it the p/r way...

Just because you don;t like OO, doesn't mean NO-ONE should... And just because OO "bigots" Like Scott Anderson (sorry for the dig there Scott), he shouldn;t expect people to forego anything OTHER than OO...

So like I am asking, OO is just as good and just as bad as ANY other way of programming... they all have thier goods and bads... You just learn to deal with them the way you prefer...

That is really what we have been trying to come to the agreement on. You sometimes tend to make this an all or nothing arguement, which of course it cannot be.

Thanks for the millions of keystrokes on this subject... lets wear out the ketboards on something else... Shall we?
greg, curley95@attbi.com -- REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!
Post #45,659
by tablizer
7/15/02 12:54:12 PM
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New Erect Ape
(* Just because you don;t like OO, doesn't mean NO-ONE should *)

1. I am saying that OOP is currently over-hyped and forced on too many programmers in practice. There are fewer places to get to get away from it.

2. OO fans here still seem to think that OOP is *objectively* better, and that those who don't like it are flawed upstairs not to see that. CRC called OOP "a natural and logical extension to structured programming" (paraphrased) as if it is an upright-walking ape.

If the hype about OO died down and more p/r techniques and API's came into the mix, then I would not be fussing nearly as much.

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Post #45,717
by Ashton
7/15/02 9:10:12 PM
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New Hey.. I feel the *same* way about the tyranny of
Organized Religions\ufffd - and especially re the secondary effects, all so neatly chronicled by now.

But since this mindset leads to the periodic heaped dead burned bodies (in God's Name), I tend to think about the topic as not.. a mere bagatelle. But I don't expect the momentum to cease any time soon - not even as WW-The Last opens. 'We' aren't ready to break this habit, no matter the Next body-count. Or the Next.

Maybe it's ditto re Your fav Windmill? (however a much more trivial ultimate decision, it would seem.) Hell, maybe *none* of this stuff is Real?






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Post #45,852
by tablizer
7/17/02 1:16:12 AM
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New What we need are more DISorganized religions? Hmmm
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     TPC slides are coming online - (ben_tilly) - (43) - July 4, 2002, 01:19:26 PM EDT
         Problems with patterns - (JayMehaffey) - (42) - July 4, 2002, 08:30:10 PM EDT
             Re: Problems with patterns - (Dominus) - (7) - July 4, 2002, 10:07:32 PM EDT
                 Fixing existing languages... - (admin) - July 4, 2002, 10:59:35 PM EDT
                 Re: Problems with patterns - (JayMehaffey) - July 4, 2002, 11:40:30 PM EDT
                 Context shouldn't be C++ - (tuberculosis) - July 5, 2002, 05:08:37 AM EDT
                 Re: Problems with patterns - (neelk) - (1) - July 5, 2002, 05:43:42 AM EDT
                     That is what Perl 6 is about :-) - (ben_tilly) - July 5, 2002, 07:01:27 AM EDT
                 Please don't remove the slides - (ben_tilly) - July 5, 2002, 06:53:50 AM EDT
                 Patterns and languages. - (Arkadiy) - July 10, 2002, 04:50:46 PM EDT
             The iterators complaint is truncated, not misguided - (ben_tilly) - (33) - July 5, 2002, 06:48:42 AM EDT
                 Reusable components? - (wharris2) - (32) - July 5, 2002, 08:30:10 AM EDT
                     Re: Reusable components? - (neelk) - (4) - July 5, 2002, 07:22:13 PM EDT
                         Macros - (wharris2) - (3) - July 5, 2002, 08:16:15 PM EDT
                             Not just macros! - (neelk) - (2) - July 5, 2002, 08:58:57 PM EDT
                                 Re: Not just macros! - (wharris2) - (1) - July 6, 2002, 02:00:04 AM EDT
                                     Re: Not just macros! - (neelk) - July 6, 2002, 05:44:28 AM EDT
                     What "prevailing style of thought" are you talking about? - (ben_tilly) - (26) - July 5, 2002, 09:27:51 PM EDT
                         Speaking for myself... - (tseliot) - (25) - July 8, 2002, 01:36:46 PM EDT
                             Re: Speaking for myself... - (neelk) - (24) - July 8, 2002, 03:05:03 PM EDT
                                 Paul Graham on OO - (tablizer) - (23) - July 11, 2002, 01:33:43 AM EDT
                                     Note his first criticism - (ben_tilly) - (8) - July 11, 2002, 04:19:50 AM EDT
                                         Elitist claim? - (tablizer) - (7) - July 11, 2002, 08:24:56 PM EDT
                                             Don't guess, measure! - (neelk) - (4) - July 11, 2002, 09:10:14 PM EDT
                                                 Simplify - (tablizer) - (3) - July 12, 2002, 04:14:05 PM EDT
                                                     Re: Simplify - (neelk) - (2) - July 12, 2002, 08:19:18 PM EDT
                                                         Depends on the language - (ben_tilly) - (1) - July 13, 2002, 12:43:23 AM EDT
                                                             This is why I prefer PHP to C... :-) -NT - (static) - July 15, 2002, 12:01:18 AM EDT
                                             You can judge that for yourself - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2002, 10:06:20 PM EDT
                                             You can judge that for yourself - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2002, 10:06:32 PM EDT
                                     HAS-A is orthogonal to OO - (admin) - (13) - July 11, 2002, 10:13:53 AM EDT
                                         Guess you gotta... - (folkert) - (1) - July 11, 2002, 12:12:02 PM EDT
                                             Muah. -NT - (admin) - July 11, 2002, 12:42:47 PM EDT
                                         It is more common in OO - (tablizer) - (10) - July 11, 2002, 08:27:15 PM EDT
                                             Don't go there. You will regret it. -NT - (static) - (1) - July 11, 2002, 11:27:31 PM EDT
                                                 What is wrong with a little romp with a cute harmless troll? -NT - (tablizer) - July 17, 2002, 01:32:20 AM EDT
                                             Been down this road before... - (admin) - (7) - July 12, 2002, 10:05:18 AM EDT
                                                 Defining definition - (tablizer) - (6) - July 12, 2002, 04:27:29 PM EDT
                                                     Mister... - (folkert) - (5) - July 12, 2002, 04:43:17 PM EDT
                                                         Frameworks and votes - (tablizer) - (4) - July 13, 2002, 01:12:39 AM EDT
                                                             Now... - (folkert) - (3) - July 14, 2002, 03:05:57 AM EDT
                                                                 Erect Ape - (tablizer) - (2) - July 15, 2002, 12:54:12 PM EDT
                                                                     Hey.. I feel the *same* way about the tyranny of - (Ashton) - (1) - July 15, 2002, 09:10:12 PM EDT
                                                                         What we need are more DISorganized religions? Hmmm -NT - (tablizer) - July 17, 2002, 01:16:12 AM EDT

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