Post #44,929
7/9/02 2:24:35 PM
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I define it as it typically used by the advocates.
That approach was good enough for Ambrose Bierce, and it's good enough for me.
And if what I attack isn't really "multiculturalism" then maybe they should come up with another word for it. But enough about true and untrue Scotsmen.
Also: I attack the targets that present themselves on the battlefield, because it doesn't make any long term sense not to. If they should happen on occasion to be easy, whose fault is that?
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Everything's a mystery until you figure out how it works.
If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
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Post #44,932
7/9/02 2:37:51 PM
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I think your target isnt muticulturalism
more antidisestablishmentarianism as shown by the lefties and pomocons. The only times you appear to wildly miss is due to your regionalitus and lack of extensive travel via 2nd class transport and accomodations. Its not to late to broaden your view. Even Mark Twain was a poor writer until his western journeys began. If you have an inability to travel, my sympathies to you.
thanx,
bill
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
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Post #44,971
7/9/02 9:09:57 PM
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You may have a point.
I don't like to travel. A lot of fuss and bother to get to some damn city somewhere and help fix stuff. They all look and smell the same after a while. I'd rather have telepresence and a wraparound screen. And the various events since 9/11 only make it worse.
Once I was in Toronto or someplace, and I took a breather in a park, and I looked up and I was surrounded by black squirrels. It was freaky. Not a normal colored squirrel in sight. Maybe the black ones killed the others and took over. BOC should do a song about black squirrels.
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Everything's a mystery until you figure out how it works.
If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
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Post #44,978
7/9/02 10:17:45 PM
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You poor Dear..
While I occasionally share a similar sort of lethargy - it's usually just from slothfulness and a temporary ennui.
You realize of course, what this means: all your impressions of all the Others out there - is doomed to remain theoretical forever, for even when you venture 'there'.. no new impressions enter.
But then nothing is forever; perhaps a small epiphany (these are never scheduled) shall permit you to make up for lost opportunity. Meanwhile.. please send any free tickets
*here*
Ashton
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Post #44,979
7/9/02 10:43:04 PM
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You're one to talk.
Did you ever dare venture off campus far enough to see all the flags?
I've seen enough of the world to know how it works. And enough more to be sure.
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Everything's a mystery until you figure out how it works.
If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
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Post #44,982
7/9/02 11:21:18 PM
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Been there, done that.
I've seen enough of the world to know how it works. And enough more to be sure. Whoa! Okay, analysis of that statement. You've seen enough of the world to support your viewpoint. So, if all you've "seen" of the world is what you read in textbooks, that's enough to support your viewpoint. If all you've "seen" of the world is the town you live in, that's enough to support your viewpoint. When all you know is Hometown, USA, all you know is Hometown, USA. Of course your view is "correct". A 3 month old's view that the world is centered around Momma's mammaries is also "correct". Limited by it's age, experience, capabilities and intellect, but still "correct". Now, try explaining balance of trade to said 3 month old. No effect. Show nipple. Happy baby. Try explaining to Marlowe that the US's oil-based foreign policy that supports oppressive totalitarian regimes is the primary reason for terrorist attacks against the US. No effect. Tell Marlowe that those bad people are jealous of our superiour culture. Happy baby. Travel broadens the mind. If nothing else, it shows you that the people around the world are just like the people in Hometown, USA. Except they're coloured differently, speak a different language, have some strange habits and like funny food.
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Post #45,008
7/10/02 5:22:15 AM
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Other angles on travel
Travel for the silly person neither broadens nor deepens, but enables him on return merely to abound in absurdities.
attribution lost
Though we travel the world over to find the beautiful we must carry it with us or we find it not.
Emerson, Essays
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Post #45,018
7/10/02 10:02:28 AM
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he's travelled to hogtown, thats enough to put anyone off
sorry Lister :)
thanx,
bill
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
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Post #44,946
7/9/02 3:54:57 PM
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You are NOT in the same league as Ambrose Bierce.
Get over it.
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Post #44,947
7/9/02 4:02:23 PM
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" I knew Ambrose Bierce.."
"Ambrose Bierce was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Ambrose Bierce.."
:-\ufffd
The difference between common sense and paranoia is that common sense is thinking everyone is out to get you. That's normal; they are. Paranoia is thinking they're conspiring. -- J. Kegler
(via Rick Moen)
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Post #44,951
7/9/02 4:43:18 PM
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ROFL! The Lloyd Benson trap.
Alex
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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Post #45,000
7/10/02 2:39:47 AM
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For the benefit of stupid people like me,
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United we stand
Divided we dominate the planet without really trying
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Post #45,001
7/10/02 2:55:44 AM
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For the benefit of stupid people like me,
could you identify that battlefield?
All I can see is a stream of stupid or bad things foreigners do and an accusation that some cabal should, for the sake of consistance, consider those things (mostly abbrerations) as valued expressions of culture.
Who is this cabal? Where are they located? Do they have enough power that anyone should care, or are they just random idiots? If they are in an academic setting, have you considered there may be some Socratic action going on? Names, man, names. Titles. Victims. Tell me why I should care about the absurdity of the alleged point of view?
An anti-porn activist was ranting on the topic of snuff films, how porn in general leads to them. When someone pointed out that there aren't any, , she said that the fact that they are conceivable says a lot about porn. I think it says more about her.
So, anyway, if the nihilistic multiculturalists are screwing your cat or something, let me know who they are (names, titles, victims) and maybe we can introduce them to some Cicilian customs. Otherwise, take off those goofy glasses before you trip over something.
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United we stand
Divided we dominate the planet without really trying
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Post #45,045
7/10/02 1:57:30 PM
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The battlefield you're standing in.
You know, the war of ideas. Ideas with consequences. What, you thought it was all just words?
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Everything's a mystery until you figure out how it works.
If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
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Post #45,046
7/10/02 2:08:00 PM
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Thought without action is fantasy.
You know, the war of ideas. Ideas with consequences. Ideas do not have consequences. Actions have consequences. An idea without an associated action is a fantasy. What, you thought it was all just words? It is all "just words" in here. Until someone takes action based upon the words/ideas. If I may quote Nirvana lyrics Plateau "You see a lot up there but don't be scared Who needs action when you got words"
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Post #45,061
7/10/02 4:20:28 PM
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You mean.. ______Descartes___ Was___ Wrong! ___ :-0
cogito ergo sum
RIP.
Ren\ufffd ... Boo!
Rene [Russo] ... Yea !!
Tragedy in wordland: a theory..
... ... killed by (an unLicensed) fact-oid :(
{sigh}
..but but there's [\ufffd South Pacific]
..the feeling of Relief!
..the feeling of Belief!
and Above all there's
..the feeling of Certainty !!
D'ya suppose that the protoplasmic evidence of Karl's >Collective Unconscious might be er
Ghosts? thoughts-without-a-thinker present?
(But then how to explain Dan Quayle and other converses?)
Welcome to the Monkey House!
(Hey.. Kurt! - wouldn't that make a Neat book title ??)
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Post #45,243
7/11/02 9:48:43 PM
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Why, yes! "God Said It, I Believe It, That Settles It!"
Alex
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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Post #45,098
7/10/02 10:20:58 PM
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Well that's what I'm asking: what are the consequences?
I mean, the flat-earthers are wrong too, but if I posted a snide comment every time I found another news item that provides evidence the planet is round - particularly if most of them were only evidence of such from my own peculiar perspective, say, anything where a round object, planet or not, is shown - you guys would get annoyed.
Because nobody but their friends cares what a few flakes think, unless there is something special about their ideas or they turn those thoughts into actions.
So what are the consequences? There may be some, but I just don't see them.
I see some consequences to nihilism and indiscrimination, but I just don't see independant consequences to the idea that we don't have a monopoly on worthwhile culture.
Genital mutilation, for example, isn't bad because it's done by foreigners, it's just plain bad, and would be even if it were invented in the good old USA. The Mona Lisa isn't great becasue Da Vinci was a white man, it's great because it's great.
You've presented the idea that foreigners sometimes do bad things, therefore multiculturalism considers the worst anywhere as equivalent to the best here. And you've proven that that idea is quite stupid. Which it is, no matter where "here" is. Well, it's a big world and if you look hard enough you can find people who think water isn't wet, so I'm sure there are people who think the worst things foreigners do are equivalent to the best we do. But are there people whose ideas matter who think that, people we need to either convert or disempower?
I'm not asking rhetoricaly - I really want to know. I want to know names, titles, and who the victims are. Not a vague "Liberals" or "academics" or "postmodernists." An answer in the form "Joe-Bob Marx, Professor of Janitorial Studies at the WallaWalla Institute of Wetness, requested that Saint Alexander Nightengale III be denied tenure for saying that carving the Venus de Milo is better than gang raping a young woman to punish her family for violating caste. The request was granted." will do, if non-fictional. The "request was granted" part is not optional, stupid requests that are denied prove nothing.
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United we stand
Divided we dominate the planet without really trying
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