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New OK, so you've already spent the 3.5 zillion . . .
. . if not in cash, in time (my billing rate is $80/hr in house, $100/hr in the field, I don't know what yours is.

And that's not cast-off plywood he's using. The stuff he's using is thick, hard wood surfaced, polished, and very expensive.

So yes, if it's your hobby, you have the time, and enjoy it, absolutely go for it. For 98.3% of people, that time is not at all available.

Many brands available, brand new and ready to use, on-line and Harbor Freight, 2025 US $85 to $200 depending on power and feature, and some include a belt sander as well.
New You will work until you die
I assume it's your personality. I hope it's not because you have to. I'm not going to do that. I was done 12 years ago on the felony arrest and conviction.

My billing rate was $100 an hour 12 years ago. And that's where it started since I was the senior VP at boa at that moment and that really pushed up my billing rate for my consulting.

Edit: I realized that the moment I got that job while my financial future looked open and infinite, my actual day-to-day happiness level dropped pretty dramatically. I loved coding and accomplishing, but that was for other people. I'd spent the previous 6 months woodworking, building up my house and rehabbing it and getting my hands dirty. I loved it.

A year later I was getting paid $9.25 an hour to wash cars and fill gas. 2 years later I was up to $16 an hour, in charge of the building and all the personnel during the overnight shift and being the dispatcher in charge. I was so proud.

Two years later I was physically unable to walk more than a few feet from for a few minutes and unable to do anything physical for a couple of years and then it was off and on every few months where I was good versus bad and capable of doing stuff.

So my time value is nothing. At least from a dollar amount perspective. From a comparative basis versus other people wasting my time? My time is worth infinity.

I had a time of money. I know what I value. And I know what I don't. I'll be smiling and happy until I die. And I'll do it by spending tiny amounts at used stores.

And yes I know he had fancy wood. Who cares? It's wood. Give me the ugly cast off crap. A few hours later it's gorgeous.

Edit: 2:00 a.m., M's at work and I have the Nickelback Pandora channel on. They throw The offspring on and you're going to go far kid starts playing.

My goddamn theme song. That was my time of money. Screaming and dancing and moving materials around. I'm going to put in the base units. I had removed them from the house, they shook it too much. Screw that, they're coming back.
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New Well, I expected . . .
. . and was preparing to be, a stingy, penny pinching, disgruntled old man, (You kids get off my lawn!), and working until the end - but the fates conspired against me.

Besides, I don't even have a lawn, and my neighborhood no longer has kids.

Now I am seriously conflicted. My lifelong frugal self keeps admonishing me that I'm spending money like a drunken sailor, but somehow there is always more. Of course for me, "spending like a drunken sailor" is still pretty frugal.

That's why women have always ignored me. I display no outward evidence of having money, and particularly no propensity for spending it unwisely.

I still have a few clients left who won't let me go, so I'm still "working", but it's more a hobby than really working.

I tend a few very antique systems and software. I had to give one client a little attention this month. They are managing their machine shop with DOS software they've been using for maybe 30 years, or even more. Their server failed this month and I had to replace the power supply. I built that server 18 years ago, and it's run an early version Linux 24-7 with only about 24 hours downtime. My previous best was 12 years and still running when retired due to software change.

When I started my business (1984) much of my work was keeping obsolete systems functioning - DOS, SCO Xenix, Concurrent DOS, early network systems that even I have forgotten. This didn't work well for me then because clients associated me with the old system, so for a new system they went to someone else.

Oh Hell! I even had to work on an Apple 3. It ran Apple's "Sophisticated Operating System", abbreviated SOS, an amazingly appropriate designation.

I gave up having much to do with application software. I did mostly cabling, RS232 interfaces for medical testing labs (yes some of that stuff still uses RS232 to this day), networks, including Novel, communications, and servers, particularly Linux servers, and Internet equipment. I also built a lot of workstation PCs until the commercial ones became too cheap - and if anything went wrong with those I could charge all my time, I didn't have to fulfill any warranty obligations.

So now I spend most of my time working on my Clovegarden.com food site (now 6756 indexed pages, 13,906 unindexed pages), doing my research into international cuisines, and doing my Musica Donavania events.

I've recently hooked up with the local Unitarian Universalist Church, because my own community is getting too small. I'm losing another couple who got burned out in Altidena and are moving to Denver. The Unitarian folks are very nice. They had me do a lecture on Paganism for one of the services and it was very well received. I made two conversions, easy ones, folks who just didn't know they were Pagans.

So life goes on, and is endlessly entertaining.
New Thank you
Your clove garden is amazing. I'm glad you enjoy working on it because the benefit to humanity is up there.

We have a huge crossover in our technology and our history. Yes I soldered those rs 232s. Yes I lived in sco and had the first multiprocessor box that wasn't the compaq. It was better. Okay, getting past all that.

I have found I am living what was my dream 15 years ago. Truly a dream since I had two tools and picked up everything off of Craigslist and did everything wrong. I was so proud of the final result but it was stupid.

This time around I'm doing it right. 3 years ago I had a bunch of money. My lawyer told me to spend that money on the house, and tools are included in that. Who was I to argue?

M bought a crap crap crap rolling cabinet off of temu. Spent some serious money on it but at the same time it was far far less than the Amazon offering.

It's got 20 pages of instructions and hundreds of bits of hardware. She thought I was going to read that and sit and put this crap together?

It came with a bunch of decent boards though. It came with a lot of hardware to pick and choose from. It came with a couple of very nice countertop pieces.

I had to open up multiple boxes downstairs and carry them all upstairs and it took about 15 trips.

I brought it all back downstairs.

You can tell I'm ripping everything apart and using it to build my tool table. Didn't come out of my budget. And M is very happy to see me do that because she knows what I'll create next. She solved the final result of when I was bad at it and she liked it.

Almost everything else I have is stuff I ripped apart from ripping apart the kitchen cabinets. The previous owner thought he was handy and he built a whole bunch of crap with lots of plywood. It's filled with nails though. At least some of it.

As I told you already, I bought everything already, and now it's on the cheap. And I'm good at it.
New SCO committed suicide
They refused to make Xenix Y2K compatible, and tried to force everyone to convert to SCO Unix. The last SCO road show I attended was pretty bitter. One guy said his company had spent months trying to get their Xenix product running on SCO Unix and SCO's tech support wasn't able to help. He said they finally installed a copy of Linux and had it running the same day.

The company that made Megaport multi-serial boards similarly committed suicide. It was a popular board with many installations because it was the best. I had at least 4. They refused to issue Linux drivers for their old boards so we could convert existing systems from Xenix to Linux. They wanted to force everyone to buy new boards. Digi issued Linux drivers for their old boards. That was about it for the Megaport - not a trustworthy company.

Several other companies that had strong market positions died of the same sort of stupidity.
New It was dead long before that
They just didn't know it.

Yes, I loved the multi-port various boards/ cluster Port combos. I gave my boss a long lecture on the utility of allowing a hundred people on a single 386 because each keystroke was not interrupting the main CPU. I can have a very large Oracle back end and be doing other stuff simultaneously and we can all work happily as long as he bought those damn boards. I have gone through many iterations of those boards before we moved on to non-rs-232 communications in my world for the most part.

I've worked on pretty much every Digi and mega and any other insane blinky light box in the 1985 time frame.

I also coded ioctl device drivers for them in C and assembler, and associated printers, terminals and modems (I can whistle an escape) because it was my job to support a third party printer subsystem called XPD and terminal program called Teleterm. I then had to port the printer subsystem to the NCR Tower when it came out. Those ioctls were not the same.

When dealing with the printer subsystem that meant I had to fake both Berkeley and AT&t and be better which wasn't tough in those days, I didn't write it originally but I was hired to support it and then it was my job to port it other Unix systems.

I had just learned the C language in the last 4 months when they started allowing me to actually touch their code. They were idiots.

I think the bottom line was when I had already proved out the Linux running Oracle. It wasn't supported yet, but if you were willing to take a chance you could run it. So I had a dozen or so multiprocessor sco Unix boxes running in my data warehousing systems room and one Linux box. Just checking it out.

I'd been using Linux for utility boxes for about 3 or 4 years at that point but it took a lot to say we were going to use it for the database back end.

At that moment sco had the 2 GB file limitation so I had to do all kinds of juggling to deal with that. Veritas helped but it still sucked. I had 80 GB files I had to deal with. I had 100 GB Oracle table spaces I had to deal with. And every single one of them had to be constructed out of 2 GB segments. It was insane.

So I went to the sun boxes at that point. But I still had the sco boxes. So I had a bunch of ultra 450s and a couple of 3500s and a few racks of discs and a whole bunch of sco boxes and sco called me up to renew support.

Linux had blown past the 2 GB file limit at that point. They had third party support. Oracle said. Sure, give it a shot.

I told that guy I was going to turn off every sco box in the room, I had already moved every bit of functionality to either low end sun or Linux boxes, and my cluster of Linux boxes is kicking ass right now. I will never buy sco again and I will never recommend them. I hope they go down in flames.

They were in the middle of the lawsuits as well.
New UU is an extremely accepting group.
The kids go through a religion class that includes field trips to Buddhist temples, mosques, etc., and at the end of it they give a report in front of the congregation about their own religious views. Half the kids talk about being atheists or agnostic, and everyone is just as happy for them. Never met any pagans there but I'm sure there were some.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Some of the UU churches host . . .
. . a "Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans". The one I attend is too small for that, but the Pasadena church does host one.

Of course, Pagans are also very accepting. While there are atheist Pagans, it is possible the largest contingent is Non Theist Pagans. It's hard to know because more than half the Pagans in this country are single practitioners who don't belong to any group that keeps count. Otherwise there are monotheist, polytheist, and serial monotheist Pagans - and, of course, Witches, many of them refugees from the Evangelical Churches.

Of course, Christian churches consider Pagans to be Satanists, but Satanism is a bastard child of Christianity and we do not usually think of them as Pagans.

My presentation on Paganism is up on the clovegarden.com Web site.
New Very interesting writeup. Thanks for sharing!
New And I've spent a lot of time and money at harbor freight
Nothing against it. It's fun to wander and pick and choose and try the tools. They have different grades of tools that are sometimes made in the same factory of the expensive ones.

I made multiple weekly trips to harbor freight for many years. Even if I wasn't going to harbor freight I'd stop off because I was passing one. No more.

It's not worth my time. Trying to figure out which of the tools will break in the first 10 minutes versus which ones won't is not worth my time. Those plastic little fiddly bits that break off in my hand and the inevitable blood and screaming that happens is not worth my time.

The closest harbor freight is approximately 35 minutes from me. It used to be 2 minutes from me. Amazon and temu and an occasional specialized order off the web is where I get my stuff if I can't just walk outside and pick it off the wood pile. Or the parts pile.

I had a blast yesterday taking it apart my refrigerator. I have a stack of stuff in my bathtub ready to be washed and all the hardware that was inside that refrigerator is now categorized and ready to be used. It has really strong rolling arms as well as hanging drawers and the monster basket assembly on the bottom will create a great structure in my wood shop. I saved every one of those screws and wire clusters. Today I'll work on the compressor and save all the copper and everything else that comes through there.

I listen to loud music and I danced up and down with a few power tools and I had a step ladder that I circled this thing with and I have the perfect bright lights and I was not cursing once due to a missing bit or whatever tool I wanted.

2 hours later I had at least $500 worth of parts that I was already considering ordering when I was done. And the refrigerator shell itself is going to make an incredible vacuum table. Okay I'm up to a thousand bucks for that 2 hours.

I'm going to take apart an electric car next.

People pay you to take them away when their battery is bad. I don't care. So 20 cells out of a thousand cell battery is bad and they can't afford to fix it. At that point that vehicle becomes a gold mine.

I want the motors to start off with because you run them mechanically and they become generators and that seems to be the highest efficiency motors you can get nowadays for free. Every other connecting part in that car will become part of my inventory. Every bar, every wire, every gasket every belt.

I'll set it up in a tent in my backyard.
     Almost ready to make dust - (crazy) - (20)
         Consider the noise. - (Another Scott) - (19)
             Already considered - (crazy) - (18)
                 I got impatient - (crazy) - (13)
                     Love that video - (Andrew Grygus) - (12)
                         Not really - (crazy) - (10)
                             OK, so you've already spent the 3.5 zillion . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (9)
                                 You will work until you die - (crazy) - (7)
                                     Well, I expected . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                                         Thank you - (crazy) - (2)
                                             SCO committed suicide - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                 It was dead long before that - (crazy)
                                         UU is an extremely accepting group. - (malraux) - (2)
                                             Some of the UU churches host . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                 Very interesting writeup. Thanks for sharing! -NT - (Another Scott)
                                 And I've spent a lot of time and money at harbor freight - (crazy)
                         +1 - (Another Scott)
                 Are those rollers going to be on a wood floor? - (drook) - (3)
                     350 lb. Massage chair - (crazy) - (2)
                         Would these work? - (drook) - (1)
                             I considered it - (crazy)

Many of the dead have finished being dead without the assistance of medical staff or fancy equipment.
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