Post #445,369
2/18/25 11:26:57 PM
2/18/25 11:26:57 PM
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Consider the noise.
I got one of these to use with a shop vac when I knew I had some drywall compound sanding in my future. I thought it would be a good-enough system to keep the dust down without spending $500-$1000 on something that was pretty much guaranteed to work well. Unfortunately, it was ungodly loud - louder than the shop vac itself. Too loud for me to tolerate. It had other issues (too difficult to control the suction at the tool on the wall, etc.) which made it exceedingly frustrating to try to use. I broke down and got a Festool RTS 400 sander and a Festool CT 36 E vacuum package instead. It's much, much quieter, the vacuum suction is adjustable, and the sander is variable speed. It made the job so much easier, and post-work cleanup was minimal. I know that's not what you're talking about here. But moving lots of air around can be extremely noisy. Festool makes great stuff, but it's spendy. They have an air filtration system now, also too. Here's a page with a discussion and video of making a shop air cleaner. It might give you some more ideas and things to think about, if you haven't seen it already. Good luck! Best wishes, Scott.
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Post #445,370
2/19/25 5:59:04 PM
2/20/25 7:13:12 AM
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Already considered
When I turn on the air mover it roars. That's why I have it outside the house. The neighbor has barking dogs, I have a roaring air mover. It just became much better. Home Depot canceled on us. The installation guys said they weren't going to put up anything in my house because I have a window where they expect a wall to be. I can slap any support. I want up there but it doesn't matter. They thought they were going to sell me many thousands of dollars worth of rolling cabinets and demolition work and rebuild work and when they realized they were just supposed to show up and put up cabinets they said never mind. Home Depot in turn said never mind because they use the installation guys as the legal cutout. Works for me. The cabinet budget just became my toy/ tool budget. Today's order on Amazon: https://a.co/d/9VRsXL4Sliding rail drawer holder. Just an example. Very expensive. I've spent many years dealing with computer racks and I know how bad a bad rail is. And I know how wonderful a good one is. So I'm researching these and will start off with a single pair to make sure that the largest can handle what I want it to handle and then each smaller size should have no problem with it. While looking into a variety of uses for these: https://a.co/d/cLurWaERolling transfer balls. Attach them to the bottom of a shelf on a shelf and put it on a sliding rail for security and all the sudden you have a very strong drawer, bottom or overhead sliding bar or 2x4 or shelf or you get the point? Oh, and those many thousand dollars worth of rolling cabinets? Couple hundred bucks worth of wood and these things. And when they aren't strong enough: https://a.co/d/b6JKAm4The prepackaged sliding drawer rails are incredible. But they are way overkill for 99% of what I need to put together. And I want these types of things in hidden wooden structures. Not obvious computer room hardware. I will use those for my heavy duty equipment though. And now we get to the machine work. I need some very fine drilling inside metal screw heads and the like. I'm bringing my drill press inside but now I need to put some serious bits on it. https://a.co/d/b6iTs5HEvery time I see that guy drill metal on metal I know I need to end with this and I don't have it but I will in a day or two. Every time you drill metal you have to have increasing size bits. The angled fluted bits will cut through anything but they are too rough. I wonder if this one will hold up yet keep it a bit smoother: https://a.co/d/cwkOZ1UI already know I can handle the wood portion of the project. I can create pretty cabinet doors and faces and a firm structure to drop a counter on. But then I'm going to need to cut countertops occasionally. Obviously the sink will be pre-cut but there's always going to be the moment I'm going to have to put a hole in it. Or slice it down the side. And I have no idea what the material is yet. So I'm not going to be buying specialized bits for that until we choose the material and then I'll get test pieces to see what it takes to safely cut it. I assume it will be a continuous spray of water on some very high speed equipment. Bandsaw? Diamond tooth? The Home Depot cabinet budget just became my toy budget. The cabinets are just a side effect. And I get the ability to set up everything inside my house or right outside underneath the overhang. I'm never taking that tool shop down. One goal of today is to drive to the back and load up the Yukon and bring all that stuff back to the front. Busy busy day. That drill press is heavy. I'm not bringing it upstairs so it won't be too tough. I am bringing it inside though! And I just realized I definitely was not making enough noise to annoy my neighbor enough. Sure my air mover fan kicks on a lot and roars and bounces off his house. I haven't heard those dogs barking in a while. I wonder what's up with that? So anyway, the grow room hit 73° for about 10 minutes yesterday. It was 50° outside. It was my fault because I had knocked a fan to point the wrong direction and that was enough. I didn't like that. I need to be able to exhaust that entire room in a few seconds. https://a.co/d/1nEMa7pBut I didn't have any budget for any additional airflow devices. And then I start constructing my vacuum dust collection table and I see that while it will work to start off with it's not nearly enough for the amount of air flow I want to be pulling through. I want to put a silicone seal around that table and drop a piece of wood on it and suck it down and have it not move while I am pushing a saber saw through it. My current air flow fans will pull sawdust but not enough do that. This fan will. Home Depot canceling just paid for it. It can exhaust the grow room in about 10 seconds as long as I can feed the air into it. Open up the bedroom window and it will whip around the corner and exhaust the room and suck outside. Flip a panel in front of a tube and it becomes the suction device that pulls from my tool table. Win-Win and it makes more noise. Winning!! Uh-Oh, sounds like tiger blood is next. And I just realized that this fan placed outside the window in my kitchen upstairs will exhaust the entire top floor. All the noise will be outside. I'm getting a couple more of them and the entire house can be pulled or pushed in either direction. I'll place a weatherproof shell around it. And really annoy the neighbor then.

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Post #445,372
2/21/25 8:51:37 AM
2/21/25 8:51:37 AM
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I got impatient
Big fan supposed to show up on Monday. So I took apart the sacrificial table and a I cut out the center of it, mdf with a Bosch barrel jigsaw , 7 amps of pure sawing glory, go get this saw, and then a took some plywood and I figured out the center and I dropped the router template in it and I drew it out and then I drilled and I saber sawed and then I took my little Dremel with a router bit and I shaved the insides of that out. I let all the dust spray and fall onto the floor that was covered with some plastic bags. At the moment. I just didn't care. It was time to make sawdust. 3 years of setup. 10 minutes of work. I love the saw that's been sitting there for the last 3 years. Never used and I love the Dremel that's been sitting for the last 3 years. Never used and I'm going to create a dentist style overhead hanging Dremel workstation along with all kinds of other stuff very soon. https://youtu.be/1G8ZM93PjJc?si=YLIUnrQl7nfnoiOcThis is a very nice example video of this guy's work and creating something that is the basis for lots of other things. Each time I see something I become amazed again and again and I pause and I say that's so easy and so wonderful and that needs to be added to the list. And then it gets easier. I also like trying to predict what he's about to do and why being fully aware that I have no clue. Then I say oh, that's just another way of doing that cut. I can do that cut so many ways and now that's another. Watching this till the end showed me there were even simpler and easier methods. It just depended on what amount of effort he wanted to do at any moment to show whatever skill. He loves his vertical downward handsaw cut. Screw that. And then it all comes together to create a device that allows you to sand down anything accurately at perfect angles or turn corners into nice handy arca. In a perfect dust-free environment. He created a rock solid platform to adhere stuff to. This can be the basis of any cabinet or any furniture. Plywood can be made pretty when stained or when it has the correctly purchased outer edge and this guy shows me how to do it really nicely. I wanted real wood I can use that but plywood is much stronger. So plywood for the workshop and finished real wood for the kitchen and the rest of the house. Adjustable wall mounted kitchen gear has always been a target. I've just built up an inventory of ball bearings that can be used anywhere as both hinges and rollers. The wok station showed up and I put it together. It's a great little steel table. It's small and needs to be raised and added to, but it's a great start. And I have a huge refrigerator that I'm about to take apart. It's filled with steel. Steel panels on the sides on the doors on the back. I have an enormous amount of shiny steel to work with to surround the wok station to flame proof everything. The effort to part out a refrigerator turns it into a couple thousand dollars worth of parts. It's like stealing a car and chopping it up. It's Friday, there is a couple of habitat for humanity stores around. When they open up I'm going to call them and see if they have any hand routers and assorted other stuff that I might go get. Time for a couple of grinding Wheels as a basis for these sanding wheels and other spinning objects. They are building a community in Sequim and they are very active here. And they have stores everywhere for the used tools and they loan them out if you want but. I'm not giving anything back. He created an incredible amount of dust to show you can get to the point of not having any more dust and having perfectly smooth ground down edges wherever you want. I want this thing and I will have this thing. And I'll pick up those tools and jigs on the way. When I was in my house in Trenton I had a couple of belt sanders mounted on a board upside down. Different grades of belts. So I'd work rough to fine over a few moments and have all the dust sucked out a huge fan out the attic window. This is better. I just have to add some additional graded wheels to go rough to fine.
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Post #445,378
2/22/25 1:57:45 PM
2/22/25 1:57:45 PM
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Love that video
All you need for that project is about 3.5 zillion dollars worth of equipment, super high grade plywood that costs more than a disk grinder, and special metal parts that just magically appear out of nowhere. Cool!
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Post #445,379
2/22/25 5:59:42 PM
2/23/25 5:42:20 AM
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Not really
Start with cast off pallets for your wood. It's a bit of effort but well worth it. I have lots of cast off plywood as well. Plenty to build what you see him show you times 10. You're a city slicker. I live out in the great Pacific Northwest in the woods. I'm surrounded by sawmills. I have my choice of wood and I can go get their cast offs and offcuts. Lots of it has been sitting outside. I know I'm going to have to set up drying racks for it. That's fine, I have temperature/ humidity controlled environment for my plant drying/curing room. Aka the downstairs bathroom.
Edit: But the best source of incredible fine wood is Craigslist. Dining room sets people give them away. Please take this heavy beautiful wood away. I bought a couple of them when I first moved here 3 years ago but they were way too big for my house. So now I have enormous slabs of beautiful maple to cut to fit to whatever I want. Looking at Craigslist, I have my assortment of woods to pick and choose from if I just want to go get some old style, dining room and china closet sets. The reason for my edit is I just moved a table downstairs in multiple pieces, each of them weighing almost as much as me. Railroad trestle legs to hold it up that weigh about 80 lb of pop.
Temu/Amazon order 90% of the hardware for about a hundred bucks. Always do your initial shopping on Amazon, and then double check for what's on temu equivalent, and then see the incredible assortment of all the jigs available for almost no money. Basically, the Amazon stuff is a very limited subset of the temu stuff and it's a far less quality and far higher price.
The tracks are very expensive on Amazon, as is a whole bunch of jigs that avoid building what he builds by hand for fun. But they are incredibly cheap on Temu. Willing to wait 5 days? Yep? Then it's 1/10 the price for pretty much everything.
I've got an incredible amount of ball bearings and various energy transfer rollers and trays and trays of hardware that will fit together pretty much everything he shows.
I've got years and years of variety of tool purchases. I've got a drill press with a serious vice. I've got at least a dozen drills, half of them corded and half of them cordless and several of them very high end. Lots and lots of batteries sitting in the chargers rotated through. I've got a couple of drivers that kick ass. I've got several circular saws of various sizes with a whole bunch of blades, I never trust the ones that come with them. I've got a standing 11-in wide planing machine That I plan on turning it into a real jointer. Real floor standing circular saw in plastic cabinet, I.e the contractor special. I've got rollers that you place on both sides of anything you want to feed through so I can use long wood pushing through evenly without worrying about it drooping on either side when using any of the floor standing devices. I've got a serious high end electric hand planer as well as variety of simple raw hand devices. Lots and lots of clamps. A variety of types. 90° corner clamps out the wazoo. I love the Dremel bench vise clamp. It grips and spins and positions at pretty much all directions. I want something about five times as large for big pieces. I'll make that. Multiple jigsaws including top of the line brush. I love that thing. Top of the line Dremel along with pretty much every bit made for it and the very long extension arm that allows you to hold it like a pencil with the actual spinning device at a distance plus the router holder for it. I've just started the list. I really did have fun prepping for this moment. Supposed industrial old Craftsman router. I love wandering used stores to find the old heavy routers. I have one about 15 minutes from me that seems to have a constant supply of new stuff just for me. That is the basis for the table of the moment but will grow from there. A very nice track / peg table but it's not that big. It will fit in the freezer compartment of the refrigerator when it is on its back and be the small portion of the workspace.
I'm perfectly willing to go out and visit the habitat for humanity stores and clear out whatever tools I feel like. They're very inexpensive and they're very happy to sell them to me.
Okay, I think we have a different viewpoint on how I value my time and what I'm doing versus any investment I put in to building the infrastructure. I'm having a hell of a time and it's cheap.
And yes, I really enjoyed that video and probably a hundred or so others that I've watched from him. Now that I've got the basis for the dust collection and the fans showing up on Monday, I can rewatch them in the workshop as I'm building stuff. I like to pause and reverse and just freeze frame and then spend 10 minutes doing whatever he did in 30 seconds and then move on. At the end I get another tool out of it and another skill.
He occasionally insists on doing stuff by hand I know I have a different tool for. He will choose certain things that I consider incredibly dangerous that I will not do like taking apart a washing machine for the motor because that motor is not designed for continuous usage. But I'll take his design where he did that on a different video and I will substitute in a bench grinder motor.
I consider him an education in Japanese style and sensibility. They have a woodworking culture. I really like it. But I'm not going to adhere to it like when I see him measure things and then mark it up and then position a drill and drill it versus me putting on a clamping rolling ruler with the positioning hole that aligns where I want to drill and immediately drill. Sure it's fun to watch him do it. I'm not going to do that. And I'm not going to build that device myself, I'm going to buy it. For about 20 bucks for the really expensive large one with many holes in it that aligns in both 90 and variable degrees and has a crossbar to go parallel with an edge or the top of a drawer. Perfect drawer and cabinet hardware alignment. As well as anything else when I'm trying to drill anything anywhere.

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Feb. 23, 2025, 05:42:20 AM EST
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Post #445,382
2/22/25 9:44:17 PM
2/22/25 9:44:17 PM
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OK, so you've already spent the 3.5 zillion . . .
. . if not in cash, in time (my billing rate is $80/hr in house, $100/hr in the field, I don't know what yours is.
And that's not cast-off plywood he's using. The stuff he's using is thick, hard wood surfaced, polished, and very expensive.
So yes, if it's your hobby, you have the time, and enjoy it, absolutely go for it. For 98.3% of people, that time is not at all available.
Many brands available, brand new and ready to use, on-line and Harbor Freight, 2025 US $85 to $200 depending on power and feature, and some include a belt sander as well.
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Post #445,383
2/23/25 3:33:20 AM
2/23/25 4:55:18 AM
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You will work until you die
I assume it's your personality. I hope it's not because you have to. I'm not going to do that. I was done 12 years ago on the felony arrest and conviction.
My billing rate was $100 an hour 12 years ago. And that's where it started since I was the senior VP at boa at that moment and that really pushed up my billing rate for my consulting.
Edit: I realized that the moment I got that job while my financial future looked open and infinite, my actual day-to-day happiness level dropped pretty dramatically. I loved coding and accomplishing, but that was for other people. I'd spent the previous 6 months woodworking, building up my house and rehabbing it and getting my hands dirty. I loved it.
A year later I was getting paid $9.25 an hour to wash cars and fill gas. 2 years later I was up to $16 an hour, in charge of the building and all the personnel during the overnight shift and being the dispatcher in charge. I was so proud.
Two years later I was physically unable to walk more than a few feet from for a few minutes and unable to do anything physical for a couple of years and then it was off and on every few months where I was good versus bad and capable of doing stuff.
So my time value is nothing. At least from a dollar amount perspective. From a comparative basis versus other people wasting my time? My time is worth infinity.
I had a time of money. I know what I value. And I know what I don't. I'll be smiling and happy until I die. And I'll do it by spending tiny amounts at used stores.
And yes I know he had fancy wood. Who cares? It's wood. Give me the ugly cast off crap. A few hours later it's gorgeous.
Edit: 2:00 a.m., M's at work and I have the Nickelback Pandora channel on. They throw The offspring on and you're going to go far kid starts playing.
My goddamn theme song. That was my time of money. Screaming and dancing and moving materials around. I'm going to put in the base units. I had removed them from the house, they shook it too much. Screw that, they're coming back.

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Post #445,387
2/24/25 3:38:34 AM
2/24/25 3:38:34 AM
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Well, I expected . . .
. . and was preparing to be, a stingy, penny pinching, disgruntled old man, (You kids get off my lawn!), and working until the end - but the fates conspired against me. Besides, I don't even have a lawn, and my neighborhood no longer has kids. Now I am seriously conflicted. My lifelong frugal self keeps admonishing me that I'm spending money like a drunken sailor, but somehow there is always more. Of course for me, "spending like a drunken sailor" is still pretty frugal. That's why women have always ignored me. I display no outward evidence of having money, and particularly no propensity for spending it unwisely. I still have a few clients left who won't let me go, so I'm still "working", but it's more a hobby than really working. I tend a few very antique systems and software. I had to give one client a little attention this month. They are managing their machine shop with DOS software they've been using for maybe 30 years, or even more. Their server failed this month and I had to replace the power supply. I built that server 18 years ago, and it's run an early version Linux 24-7 with only about 24 hours downtime. My previous best was 12 years and still running when retired due to software change. When I started my business (1984) much of my work was keeping obsolete systems functioning - DOS, SCO Xenix, Concurrent DOS, early network systems that even I have forgotten. This didn't work well for me then because clients associated me with the old system, so for a new system they went to someone else. Oh Hell! I even had to work on an Apple 3. It ran Apple's "Sophisticated Operating System", abbreviated SOS, an amazingly appropriate designation. I gave up having much to do with application software. I did mostly cabling, RS232 interfaces for medical testing labs (yes some of that stuff still uses RS232 to this day), networks, including Novel, communications, and servers, particularly Linux servers, and Internet equipment. I also built a lot of workstation PCs until the commercial ones became too cheap - and if anything went wrong with those I could charge all my time, I didn't have to fulfill any warranty obligations. So now I spend most of my time working on my Clovegarden.com food site (now 6756 indexed pages, 13,906 unindexed pages), doing my research into international cuisines, and doing my Musica Donavania events. I've recently hooked up with the local Unitarian Universalist Church, because my own community is getting too small. I'm losing another couple who got burned out in Altidena and are moving to Denver. The Unitarian folks are very nice. They had me do a lecture on Paganism for one of the services and it was very well received. I made two conversions, easy ones, folks who just didn't know they were Pagans. So life goes on, and is endlessly entertaining.
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Post #445,388
2/24/25 10:02:54 AM
2/24/25 10:02:54 AM
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Thank you
Your clove garden is amazing. I'm glad you enjoy working on it because the benefit to humanity is up there.
We have a huge crossover in our technology and our history. Yes I soldered those rs 232s. Yes I lived in sco and had the first multiprocessor box that wasn't the compaq. It was better. Okay, getting past all that.
I have found I am living what was my dream 15 years ago. Truly a dream since I had two tools and picked up everything off of Craigslist and did everything wrong. I was so proud of the final result but it was stupid.
This time around I'm doing it right. 3 years ago I had a bunch of money. My lawyer told me to spend that money on the house, and tools are included in that. Who was I to argue?
M bought a crap crap crap rolling cabinet off of temu. Spent some serious money on it but at the same time it was far far less than the Amazon offering.
It's got 20 pages of instructions and hundreds of bits of hardware. She thought I was going to read that and sit and put this crap together?
It came with a bunch of decent boards though. It came with a lot of hardware to pick and choose from. It came with a couple of very nice countertop pieces.
I had to open up multiple boxes downstairs and carry them all upstairs and it took about 15 trips.
I brought it all back downstairs.
You can tell I'm ripping everything apart and using it to build my tool table. Didn't come out of my budget. And M is very happy to see me do that because she knows what I'll create next. She solved the final result of when I was bad at it and she liked it.
Almost everything else I have is stuff I ripped apart from ripping apart the kitchen cabinets. The previous owner thought he was handy and he built a whole bunch of crap with lots of plywood. It's filled with nails though. At least some of it.
As I told you already, I bought everything already, and now it's on the cheap. And I'm good at it.
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Post #445,391
2/24/25 12:54:35 PM
2/24/25 12:54:35 PM
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SCO committed suicide
They refused to make Xenix Y2K compatible, and tried to force everyone to convert to SCO Unix. The last SCO road show I attended was pretty bitter. One guy said his company had spent months trying to get their Xenix product running on SCO Unix and SCO's tech support wasn't able to help. He said they finally installed a copy of Linux and had it running the same day.
The company that made Megaport multi-serial boards similarly committed suicide. It was a popular board with many installations because it was the best. I had at least 4. They refused to issue Linux drivers for their old boards so we could convert existing systems from Xenix to Linux. They wanted to force everyone to buy new boards. Digi issued Linux drivers for their old boards. That was about it for the Megaport - not a trustworthy company.
Several other companies that had strong market positions died of the same sort of stupidity.
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Post #445,393
2/24/25 3:36:41 PM
2/24/25 3:36:41 PM
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It was dead long before that
They just didn't know it.
Yes, I loved the multi-port various boards/ cluster Port combos. I gave my boss a long lecture on the utility of allowing a hundred people on a single 386 because each keystroke was not interrupting the main CPU. I can have a very large Oracle back end and be doing other stuff simultaneously and we can all work happily as long as he bought those damn boards. I have gone through many iterations of those boards before we moved on to non-rs-232 communications in my world for the most part.
I've worked on pretty much every Digi and mega and any other insane blinky light box in the 1985 time frame.
I also coded ioctl device drivers for them in C and assembler, and associated printers, terminals and modems (I can whistle an escape) because it was my job to support a third party printer subsystem called XPD and terminal program called Teleterm. I then had to port the printer subsystem to the NCR Tower when it came out. Those ioctls were not the same.
When dealing with the printer subsystem that meant I had to fake both Berkeley and AT&t and be better which wasn't tough in those days, I didn't write it originally but I was hired to support it and then it was my job to port it other Unix systems.
I had just learned the C language in the last 4 months when they started allowing me to actually touch their code. They were idiots.
I think the bottom line was when I had already proved out the Linux running Oracle. It wasn't supported yet, but if you were willing to take a chance you could run it. So I had a dozen or so multiprocessor sco Unix boxes running in my data warehousing systems room and one Linux box. Just checking it out.
I'd been using Linux for utility boxes for about 3 or 4 years at that point but it took a lot to say we were going to use it for the database back end.
At that moment sco had the 2 GB file limitation so I had to do all kinds of juggling to deal with that. Veritas helped but it still sucked. I had 80 GB files I had to deal with. I had 100 GB Oracle table spaces I had to deal with. And every single one of them had to be constructed out of 2 GB segments. It was insane.
So I went to the sun boxes at that point. But I still had the sco boxes. So I had a bunch of ultra 450s and a couple of 3500s and a few racks of discs and a whole bunch of sco boxes and sco called me up to renew support.
Linux had blown past the 2 GB file limit at that point. They had third party support. Oracle said. Sure, give it a shot.
I told that guy I was going to turn off every sco box in the room, I had already moved every bit of functionality to either low end sun or Linux boxes, and my cluster of Linux boxes is kicking ass right now. I will never buy sco again and I will never recommend them. I hope they go down in flames.
They were in the middle of the lawsuits as well.
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Post #445,389
2/24/25 11:08:43 AM
2/24/25 11:08:43 AM
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UU is an extremely accepting group.
The kids go through a religion class that includes field trips to Buddhist temples, mosques, etc., and at the end of it they give a report in front of the congregation about their own religious views. Half the kids talk about being atheists or agnostic, and everyone is just as happy for them. Never met any pagans there but I'm sure there were some.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #445,390
2/24/25 12:34:48 PM
2/24/25 12:34:48 PM
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Some of the UU churches host . . .
. . a "Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans". The one I attend is too small for that, but the Pasadena church does host one. Of course, Pagans are also very accepting. While there are atheist Pagans, it is possible the largest contingent is Non Theist Pagans. It's hard to know because more than half the Pagans in this country are single practitioners who don't belong to any group that keeps count. Otherwise there are monotheist, polytheist, and serial monotheist Pagans - and, of course, Witches, many of them refugees from the Evangelical Churches. Of course, Christian churches consider Pagans to be Satanists, but Satanism is a bastard child of Christianity and we do not usually think of them as Pagans. My presentation on Paganism is up on the clovegarden.com Web site.
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Post #445,395
2/24/25 7:44:38 PM
2/24/25 7:44:38 PM
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Very interesting writeup. Thanks for sharing!
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Post #445,384
2/23/25 4:07:39 AM
2/23/25 4:07:39 AM
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And I've spent a lot of time and money at harbor freight
Nothing against it. It's fun to wander and pick and choose and try the tools. They have different grades of tools that are sometimes made in the same factory of the expensive ones.
I made multiple weekly trips to harbor freight for many years. Even if I wasn't going to harbor freight I'd stop off because I was passing one. No more.
It's not worth my time. Trying to figure out which of the tools will break in the first 10 minutes versus which ones won't is not worth my time. Those plastic little fiddly bits that break off in my hand and the inevitable blood and screaming that happens is not worth my time.
The closest harbor freight is approximately 35 minutes from me. It used to be 2 minutes from me. Amazon and temu and an occasional specialized order off the web is where I get my stuff if I can't just walk outside and pick it off the wood pile. Or the parts pile.
I had a blast yesterday taking it apart my refrigerator. I have a stack of stuff in my bathtub ready to be washed and all the hardware that was inside that refrigerator is now categorized and ready to be used. It has really strong rolling arms as well as hanging drawers and the monster basket assembly on the bottom will create a great structure in my wood shop. I saved every one of those screws and wire clusters. Today I'll work on the compressor and save all the copper and everything else that comes through there.
I listen to loud music and I danced up and down with a few power tools and I had a step ladder that I circled this thing with and I have the perfect bright lights and I was not cursing once due to a missing bit or whatever tool I wanted.
2 hours later I had at least $500 worth of parts that I was already considering ordering when I was done. And the refrigerator shell itself is going to make an incredible vacuum table. Okay I'm up to a thousand bucks for that 2 hours.
I'm going to take apart an electric car next.
People pay you to take them away when their battery is bad. I don't care. So 20 cells out of a thousand cell battery is bad and they can't afford to fix it. At that point that vehicle becomes a gold mine.
I want the motors to start off with because you run them mechanically and they become generators and that seems to be the highest efficiency motors you can get nowadays for free. Every other connecting part in that car will become part of my inventory. Every bar, every wire, every gasket every belt.
I'll set it up in a tent in my backyard.
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Post #445,380
2/22/25 6:06:36 PM
2/22/25 6:06:36 PM
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+1
Yeah, the plywood got me too. https://www.mcmaster.com/products/marine-grade-plywood/Good, flat, square, uniform, high-quality plywood is spendy! Still, it was interesting, and he obviously does a lot of work thinking about the design before he does the cutting and drilling. The design part is more interesting to me, but not as amenable to video. Best wishes, Scott.
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Post #445,373
2/21/25 3:57:23 PM
2/21/25 3:57:23 PM
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Are those rollers going to be on a wood floor?
I'd think if there's significant weight on them they'd leave grooves in wood or vinyl.
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Post #445,374
2/21/25 8:57:00 PM
2/21/25 8:57:00 PM
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350 lb. Massage chair
Yes, they will be on the crap laminated floor.
I weigh 150 lb. You should see me try to move it.
Looking at the package a few moments ago I decided a possible use for the first set of heavy duty ones are attached to the feet of that chair. Possible via blocks I make by cutting up 2x4s. Then I will have a couple of door stop feet dropped down wherever I want to stabilize it.
Better it leaves grooves then breaks my back.
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Post #445,381
2/22/25 8:53:45 PM
2/22/25 8:53:45 PM
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Would these work?
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Post #445,385
2/23/25 4:19:18 AM
2/23/25 4:26:19 AM
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I considered it
I'm actually patterning what I'm doing after that.
25 bucks for four pieces that are very big and have no place to go underneath the chair. Very tight mechanical space there. And I need a jack and a hoist to put the chair on its side to work on it. This thing will kill me if I'm not careful. Literally, it will kill me. I've only seen the underside once 3 years ago so I'm working from memory here.
Keep in mind that I bought these particular roller balls on a whim since I knew there were many uses for them in my kitchen construction. Internal to cabinets and drawers everywhere by the time I'm done. The little ones. But then I saw the big ones and thought of other uses.
So when I had them in my hand I looked around and thought of the various things I could do with them and then saw the chair and realized and they were a requirement at the bottom of it. And then I looked at the refrigerator and realized that when I pop it on its side and on its back they're going to be required. But not permanently. Then I look around all over the place and I realize I have a high use case for them.
That drill press is really heavy. And I don't want to be tripping on those big wheels and stoppers as I'm walking around. Every time I look around I think about the walk path and me tripping and then I add to it the fact that I have heavy machinery that I will be moving around.
A piece of wood ain't that heavy. Start adding them together and they get very heavy. Slap these things on the bottom and nothing is heavy again.
To start off with I'm just going to create my own little dolly. A foot by a foot with them on the corners. And then I'll create several more. Some with nothing more than 6 in by 6 in of four wheels on a board.
Whenever they will be used I will double-sided tape the board side to the large object I'm moving. Put multiples of them on a single large object for rock solid firmness on movement. And then I will rip them right off and use them again.
This guy has shown me uses for double-sided tape that will live with me forever.

Edited by crazy
Feb. 23, 2025, 04:26:19 AM EST
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