Re: Problems with patterns

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Post #44,519

by neelk

7/5/02 5:43:42 AM

Re: Problems with patterns

I think some of the force of the presentation was lost, because C++ was the whipping boy of choice. It's a pretty low-level language, and finding problems with it is a bit too easy. A better idea, IMO, would be to look at large bodies of high-level-language code (like Smalltalk or Perl) and see what repetitive patterns emerge in those languages. After all, those languages already fixed the obvious problems in C and co. -- the question is what are the new bottlenecks?

Post #44,524

by ben_tilly

7/5/02 7:01:27 AM

That is what Perl 6 is about :-)

Just today someone posted [link|http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=179555|this demonstration] (albeit with some minor errors since we don't have a Perl 6 implemention yet) of exactly how well the regular expression changes will remove existing parsing bottlenecks in Perl (which are shared by most scripting languages).

Cheers,
Ben

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TPC slides are coming online - (ben_tilly) - (43) - July 4, 2002, 01:19:26 PM EDT

Problems with patterns - (JayMehaffey) - (42) - July 4, 2002, 08:30:10 PM EDT

Re: Problems with patterns - (Dominus) - (7) - July 4, 2002, 10:07:32 PM EDT

Fixing existing languages... - (admin) - July 4, 2002, 10:59:35 PM EDT

Re: Problems with patterns - (JayMehaffey) - July 4, 2002, 11:40:30 PM EDT

Context shouldn't be C++ - (tuberculosis) - July 5, 2002, 05:08:37 AM EDT

Re: Problems with patterns - (neelk) - (1) - July 5, 2002, 05:43:42 AM EDT

That is what Perl 6 is about :-) - (ben_tilly) - July 5, 2002, 07:01:27 AM EDT

Please don't remove the slides - (ben_tilly) - July 5, 2002, 06:53:50 AM EDT

Patterns and languages. - (Arkadiy) - July 10, 2002, 04:50:46 PM EDT

The iterators complaint is truncated, not misguided - (ben_tilly) - (33) - July 5, 2002, 06:48:42 AM EDT

Reusable components? - (wharris2) - (32) - July 5, 2002, 08:30:10 AM EDT

Re: Reusable components? - (neelk) - (4) - July 5, 2002, 07:22:13 PM EDT

Macros - (wharris2) - (3) - July 5, 2002, 08:16:15 PM EDT

Not just macros! - (neelk) - (2) - July 5, 2002, 08:58:57 PM EDT

Re: Not just macros! - (wharris2) - (1) - July 6, 2002, 02:00:04 AM EDT

Re: Not just macros! - (neelk) - July 6, 2002, 05:44:28 AM EDT

What "prevailing style of thought" are you talking about? - (ben_tilly) - (26) - July 5, 2002, 09:27:51 PM EDT

Speaking for myself... - (tseliot) - (25) - July 8, 2002, 01:36:46 PM EDT

Re: Speaking for myself... - (neelk) - (24) - July 8, 2002, 03:05:03 PM EDT

Paul Graham on OO - (tablizer) - (23) - July 11, 2002, 01:33:43 AM EDT

Note his first criticism - (ben_tilly) - (8) - July 11, 2002, 04:19:50 AM EDT

Elitist claim? - (tablizer) - (7) - July 11, 2002, 08:24:56 PM EDT

Don't guess, measure! - (neelk) - (4) - July 11, 2002, 09:10:14 PM EDT

Simplify - (tablizer) - (3) - July 12, 2002, 04:14:05 PM EDT

Re: Simplify - (neelk) - (2) - July 12, 2002, 08:19:18 PM EDT

Depends on the language - (ben_tilly) - (1) - July 13, 2002, 12:43:23 AM EDT

This is why I prefer PHP to C... :-) -NT - (static) - July 15, 2002, 12:01:18 AM EDT

You can judge that for yourself - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2002, 10:06:20 PM EDT

You can judge that for yourself - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2002, 10:06:32 PM EDT

HAS-A is orthogonal to OO - (admin) - (13) - July 11, 2002, 10:13:53 AM EDT

Guess you gotta... - (folkert) - (1) - July 11, 2002, 12:12:02 PM EDT

Muah. -NT - (admin) - July 11, 2002, 12:42:47 PM EDT

It is more common in OO - (tablizer) - (10) - July 11, 2002, 08:27:15 PM EDT

Don't go there. You will regret it. -NT - (static) - (1) - July 11, 2002, 11:27:31 PM EDT

What is wrong with a little romp with a cute harmless troll? -NT - (tablizer) - July 17, 2002, 01:32:20 AM EDT

Been down this road before... - (admin) - (7) - July 12, 2002, 10:05:18 AM EDT

Defining definition - (tablizer) - (6) - July 12, 2002, 04:27:29 PM EDT

Mister... - (folkert) - (5) - July 12, 2002, 04:43:17 PM EDT

Frameworks and votes - (tablizer) - (4) - July 13, 2002, 01:12:39 AM EDT

Now... - (folkert) - (3) - July 14, 2002, 03:05:57 AM EDT

Erect Ape - (tablizer) - (2) - July 15, 2002, 12:54:12 PM EDT

Hey.. I feel the *same* way about the tyranny of - (Ashton) - (1) - July 15, 2002, 09:10:12 PM EDT

What we need are more DISorganized religions? Hmmm -NT - (tablizer) - July 17, 2002, 01:16:12 AM EDT

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