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New This is like arguing with my wife
"They" is me and you and anyone else who has ever listened to the song in their own preferred native language.

This is not a blame issue. This is an interpretation of lyrics issue and who they are targeted towards.

This is not about violins on television. Can I use that idiom with you? This is not an insult, just wondering if I can use that shorthand. It seems our discussions devolve into occasional misunderstandings and I think that's a very good shorthand for what happens.

And really, shouting (Full-Blown Caps) combined with insults combined with sprinkling of curses (I know it's salt and pepper to you and I try not to react, but it's simply not punctuation in my brain, it's emphasis combined with attack), is it all really required? Is the effect desired? Sigh.

I get to choose the main point of this discussion because I was asking questions about interpretation of lyrics. And the lyrics are based on the native language combined with changing the actual meaning occasionally. Changing words and multiple lines. So I wanted to know about how the audiences interpreted that and felt about that. Which I couldn't do without a native speaker.

I get to choose who "they" are because I posted and asked the questions about "them". I get to choose that. No matter how you choose to interpret, it doesn't matter.

No matter how many other comments were posted by other people and what they were talking about. That's got nothing to do with what I posted.

The people listening to the song in the distance on the radio. The different groups of people each time they changed the words. The people being manipulated by the music and the words. The people who know it's a song.

Not the imaginary people firing missiles. Or their imaginary populations. Not violins on television.

Are we done now?
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New Yoour poor, poor wife...
...if you regularly argue as inefectually, annoyingly, and stupidly with her.

This is an interpretation of lyrics issue and who they are targeted towards.
Yup. And the interpretation is obviously that they're targeted towards the military-industrial or military-political complex, not (the audience as representatives of) the general public. So obvious that nobody ever -- except you -- has thought anything else.

But it doesn't help how often, how thoroughly, or how simply you explain stuff to someone who just blank resuses to understand. Does your paycheck somehow depend on you not understanding this, or something?

This is not about violins on television. Can I use that idiom with you? This is not an insult, just wondering if I can use that shorthand. It seems our discussions devolve into occasional misunderstandings and I think that's a very good shorthand for what happens.
Sure, you can use it, but I don't get it.


And really, shouting (Full-Blown Caps) combined with insults combined with sprinkling of curses (I know it's salt and pepper to you and I try not to react, but it's simply not punctuation in my brain, it's emphasis combined with attack), is it all really required? Is the effect desired? Sigh.
Speaking of violins: Cue the world's smallest one. Can I use that idiom with you? Feels fitting for your whining about "attack", after some of your posts over the years. Including at least two this year that I've been letting slide so far.

I get to choose the main point of this discussion because I was asking questions about interpretation of lyrics.

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I get to choose who "they" are because I posted and asked the questions about "them". I get to choose that.

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The people listening to the song in the distance on the radio. The different groups of people each time they changed the words. The people being manipulated by the music and the words.
Sure. Just let people know when you start talking about different "they"s in the future, because that wasn't what this started out with: as you said, you started out with asking about the lyrics, so I was explaining how the "they" in the lyrics are NOT (Oh boo-hoo, capitals!) the people listening to the song in the distance on the radio.

Are we done now?
Maybe if you could ever bring yourself to STFU...?
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   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything


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New Here's another idiom you're learning
Your impression of Emily Litella is not worth two points of my blood pressure. Especially when you don't have even her level of self-awareness.

https://youtu.be/fZLeaSWY37I?si=yF-aNA265F2X6S68

And on reread, thanks, I learned exactly what I was looking for. You've been storing up some grievances. And you've been in hovering attack mode. I typically try to never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but you just put yourself on the malice side of this one.
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New Bullshit on both.
     Hey German speakers! - (crazy) - (19)
         CRC hates music. - (malraux) - (1)
             Oh, bullpucky. - (CRConrad)
         Try this - (drook) - (6)
             That's well done. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                 Hmm, not how I understood it - (drook) - (3)
                     Zeitgeist - (scoenye) - (1)
                         1983 was also the year of Able Archer -NT - (pwhysall)
                     Nah, always been quite literal balloons. Balloons that set off the whole thing, trigger the missiles - (CRConrad)
             Thanks, perfect - (crazy)
         OK, sorry for being late to the party... Here goes: - (CRConrad) - (9)
             Not the imaginary audience - (crazy)
             That 99 years makes a huge difference - (crazy) - (7)
                 OK, may be, but that's still not the main point. - (CRConrad) - (6)
                     Nit, just because I'm feeling salty today - (drook) - (1)
                         True. A nit worthy of... Idunno; me? - (CRConrad)
                     This is like arguing with my wife - (crazy) - (3)
                         Yoour poor, poor wife... - (CRConrad) - (2)
                             Here's another idiom you're learning - (crazy) - (1)
                                 Bullshit on both. -NT - (CRConrad)

Truthful and transparent is great, but we don’t even have a coherent strategy to obfuscate.
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