Yeah, that's why I'm on that too... Maybe. 50-50 chance I am.

Post #444,844 by CRConrad 10/4/24 8:45:54 AM 10/5/24 7:58:49 AM Reply	Yeah, that's why I'm on that too... Maybe. 50-50 chance I am. I signed up for a drug test while hospitalised last fall, so I'm taking a pill of "BAY 2433334" a day. Or, to be more precise, what it says on the tin is "BAY 2433334 or placebo". But personally I think it's quite a bit better odds than 50% that I'm on the real stuff: One of the possible side effects they warned about was itchy skin, and I had a bout of that in, Idunno, February or so. A week off this and on antihistamines in stead, then back on it, no problem since. But what do I know, maybe they're being so thorough that they use a placebo that also has a chance of inducing itches? Doesn't feel all that plausible, so I think I'm on a blood thinner. The other stuff I'm on -- "for real", i.e. prescribed as a mandatory reaction to my stroke -- is called Clopidogrel, and is not a blood thinner but an ~~anticoagulant~~ antiplatelet drug, if I've understood correctly. (Which I apparently hadn't.) Ah, we're getting to be quite the gang of druggies, as we age... -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi Edited by CRConrad Oct. 5, 2024, 07:58:49 AM EDT Yeah, that's why I'm on that too... Maybe. 50-50 chance I am. I signed up for a drug test while hospitalised last fall, so I'm taking a pill of "BAY 2433334" a day. Or, to be more precise, what it says on the tin is "BAY 2433334 or placebo". But personally I think it's quite a bit better odds than 50% that I'm on the real stuff: One of the possible side effects they warned about was itchy skin, and I had a bout of that in, Idunno, February or so. A week off this and on antihistamines in stead, then back on it, no problem since. But what do I know, maybe they're being so thorough that they use a placebo that also has a chance of inducing itches? Doesn't feel all that plausible, so I think I'm on a blood thinner. The other stuff I'm on -- "for real", i.e. prescribed as a mandatory reaction to my stroke -- is called Clopidogrel, and is not a blood thinner but an anticoagulant, if I've understood correctly. Ah, we're getting to be quite the gang of druggies, as we age... -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi Collapse All History
Post #444,852 by Andrew Grygus 10/4/24 4:06:33 PM 10/4/24 4:06:33 PM Reply	I don't know about where you are, but around here "blood thinner is just an easier way to say "anticoagulant".
Post #444,857 by CRConrad 10/5/24 7:56:09 AM 10/5/24 7:56:09 AM Reply	Aha, my mistake Apparently what I meant to say is actually antiplatelet drug or platelet agglutination inhibitor . -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #444,858 by drook 10/5/24 8:42:50 AM 10/5/24 8:42:50 AM Reply	Oh, of course It's not an anticoagulant, it's a platelet agglutination inhibitor. [Google definition ... "Agglutination is the clumping of particles."] Yes, very different. /s -- Drew
Post #444,864 by CRConrad 10/6/24 5:25:33 AM 10/6/24 5:25:33 AM Reply	Didn't even read the WP article I linked to, nor check up on coagulation, so this may be wrong AF... ...but I think the difference is what kind of particles agglutinate. "Coagulation" is the agglutination of proteins in general, so that's what anti-coagulants work against; whereas "platelet agglutination inhibitors" speficially, eh, inhibit the agglutination of blood platelets. (Which, yeah, probably consist mostly of proteins, so...) But anyway, AIUI they put me in the test because while they don't want their results confounded by people being on another anti-coagulant, being on a platelet agglutination inhibitor (in my case, Clopidogrel) apparently doesn't influence the test like that. Idunno, I just religiously take my test-or-placebo pill every day and go to the hospital and talk to the nurse who runs the practical aspects of the test in Finland every three months (except over summer, when it's six; she gave me two tins of pills in spring). No effects I've noticed so far -- except that bout of itchy skin last winter -- so I'm guessing it can't hurt (much), and hopefully help (at least as bit). -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #444,870 by crazy 10/6/24 9:16:19 AM 10/6/24 9:16:19 AM Reply	What was the original symptom/ issue that triggered the usage of blood thinners? You mentioned the stroke. Were you on the blood thinner before the stroke for something else or was the stroke something that said you will be on some type of blood thinner forever? If you don't mind the question. I'm just playing my mother in my head and wondering what disease I'm dying of at the moment that is being unaddressed that I could possibly research and then trigger psychologically via the nocibo effect? The reason for this particular path is because my foot went to s*** a week ago and I've been using the wheelie thing, but the initial symptom was some serious pounding in my foot that felt like it was from a centralized point and then radiated and my brain visualize the almost guaranteed blood vessel clots I've got spinning around because of my high cholesterol level combined with the fact that I refused statins many years ago because they caused me pain and made me stupid. So there's clots looking to land places right now. Nah. EDS sucks, this is simply a cycle to get through with lots of drugs involved. Kick back and enjoy them. No pain right now. Not really a lot for the last couple of days. Now it's just the kickback and let it heal phase. Is some type of blood thinner in my future based on my specific aggregation of factors? Just wondering.
Post #444,880 by CRConrad 10/6/24 7:23:46 PM 10/6/24 7:23:46 PM Reply	It was the stroke, hadn't had any meds like that before it. (Only for blood pressure & cholesterol.)
Post #444,878 by drook 10/6/24 5:59:54 PM 10/6/24 5:59:54 PM Reply	Yes, pretty sure one is a subset of the other It just reminded me of what a doc told me many years ago. "You don't have an allergy, you have an environmental sensitivity." OK, what's the difference? "An allergy is when you have an elevated histamine response to an allergen. An environmental sensitivity is when you have an elevated histamine response to an environmental irritant." So helpful. -- Drew
Post #444,879 by Another Scott 10/6/24 6:16:53 PM 10/6/24 6:16:53 PM Reply	Heh. My allergist expressed it as: Irritant reaction vs Allergic reaction. E.g. with enough pollen in the air, almost everyone will develop itchy, watery eyes. Just from the friction of all the junk in the air. People who are allergic will, in addition to that, have their bodies go into overdrive: "Danger! Danger! The air is trying to kill me! All hands on deck!!" Cheers, Scott.
Post #444,854 by rcareaga 10/4/24 9:17:12 PM 10/4/24 9:17:12 PM Reply	Ah, Clopidogrel! OK, that’s what they had me on for a year with the never-miss-a-single-day routine. I had more nosebleeds in the first month and for the remainder of the regimen than I’d had in all of the previous sixty-four years. sanguinarily,

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