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New You need a certain attitude and FU money to talk back
Since they typically constrain the cash flow to the people who want to eat well need to modify their default behavior. They don't. And assholes who talk like them but don't control the cash flow yet don't need to constrain it.

Owners hire the people. Depending on how many levels you are between the owner and the underlings, you control the culture. Many people talk about workplace culture but very few people have directly implemented it.

My elder brother was in control of all decisions and cash flow. There could be between 3 and 20 simultaneous projects running under him with various people in control of a group of people and then that person would be in charge of the culture, as long as it implemented his culture.

He was a left wing, seriously, left wing, with a masters in human resources and counseling. Counseling. He was in charge of technical projects. It was very hard to get him to fire anyone no matter how incompetent. He was a visioneer of impossible projects that got done.

And I rode with him 2 hours in the car everyday when we commuted and reviewed every project and discussed the technical aspects as well as the human resources and cash flow aspects. And we built a division, a separate department within a large company with its own p&l responsibility, over 10 years. And he rarely ever talked to any of the individual employees for more than 3 minutes a week.

It was my job to go out to lunch with everybody at least three times a week. I was one-on-one with new hires for at least a week. In the later days I worked from home and it didn't matter. But in the first 7 years of buildup I went to work.

I made the hiring decisions. I was the gatekeeper. I was the recruiter. And I was the person who guided them through the various steps of the HR gauntlet. Once they were hired, I trained them in the specifics of large-scale data processing, which meant I had to untrain anything they ever learned before. Even though most of them were experts to start off with. I was their best friend and their worst enemy. I was the guy they came to with both technical and personnel problems.

Everyone knew I commuted with the guy in charge, he was my elder brother and he always said yes to the last person he ever spoke to (or gave you a good brainwashing so you walked out of the office being told no without even realizing it) and the last person he spoke to was always me. I made the decisions.

I was the culture.

I managed to weasel around other people's cultures. Occasionally I had to interact with the owners. The primary 51% owner hated me, my background, my culture, my religion, my technical choices, and the reason I was hired for the job. He specifically did not want me to accomplish my job. Occasionally I was really stupid and said what I really thought. Occasionally I had to go to battle. Occasionally. I know when I'm doing it.

A thought on political attitudes of programmers of varying levels. We all know we have the top accomplishers in the top 10%. Obviously I made up that 10%, but you know there's a dramatic cut off between a certain level of programmer's ability and the next level.

The best programmers will get the programs and computers to get to do the work for them eventually. They will program themselves out of a job. And they will do it in such an imaginative way that they think is stupid and obvious. But the next level down say that's incredibly brilliant.

I'm not in that level. I'm in the pretend level. The best 1% are light years beyond me. That's bTilly. That's admin but he probably won't admit it. I'll still automate everything out of existence, but I'll do it a bit kludgier. I'm at the level that I want elegance, I know one line of code is better than 50 but sometimes I just can't pull it off, and that means the people behind me won't understand it, so I'll throw in what I consider a compromise.

But I am in the next level down. I'm still 10 times better than the next down level. My productivity is amazing compared to what the typical default programmer is. The vast majority of programmers who have jobs.

The next next level down gets stuff done but they need to be watched. They need to be able to take that old drudge code and then make modifications and make sure they didn't screw anything up worse than it already was. Most of the time they get right, sometimes they don't, sometimes all breaks loose but they really don't care. It's just a job to them.

I love to code. That's a generic term. I love to create systems and implement stuff and I even love to talk to customers and really figure out what to do to get things done. I love to get down into the nitty-gritty with the hardware and the software and I love to actually then code.

The next level down couldn't imagine playing at my level and the next level above couldn't imagine wasting the time with it.

My level and above are typically left-wing. The next level down are typically right-wing. They don't want anything to change. They're scared of change. My level and above always experience change and the change has almost always been for the better.
New Until ...
My level and above always experience change and the change has almost always been for the better.

Until the building blocks of the systems they build are business units.

When you're writing the code, it will do whatever you can imagine.

When you're creating the culture, the people will do whatever you can convince them is in their interest.

When you're building a company, every other company is actively working against you. It's not about being "right" or having a "better" solution. It's about winning a non-linear rigged game. Partners are just competitors with a common interest, or potential mergers where the C suite hasn't worked out yet who stays and who goes.

When you're at the level where you need to lobby in DC, because the law is what you're fighting, you're going to look like every other oligarch or robber baron.
--

Drew
New No argument there
The second you are at the level of p&l, profit and loss, those imaginary building blocks are very real.

When I design systems that include people's jobs. How many people will be required to run the system for the next 3 years during the contract? Okay. Let's go find them, hire them, train them and make sure they get along with everybody else. Sometimes they didn't and had to be removed.

How much profit are we making during this contract and did it actually cover those people's jobs 2 years in? No? Can we use them in another department? No? Can we find a job for them anywhere else? Almost always. Hey, so and so, you're having difficulty here, and I hear this guy over there would really like to hire you. Wouldn't you like that job? No? We are having financial difficulties here and your job is in danger, wouldn't you really like that job?

Yes!

Sometimes that didn't always work out. But we tried. Sometimes. There is absolutely no other job to give them. They weren't working out for real reasons. Then it was my job to get rid of them.

Sometimes the entire division was in jeopardy based on a political, not technical decision. It was still my job to deal with it.

So yes, that moment of crossing from the arbitrary building blocks of a technical system that is self-contained except for data and electricity is vastly different from where I played.

And yes, our lawyers told me that I needed to print out all my code so we can copyright it all and then patent it and then go attack our competitors. I slow walked that one. Oops, it never got done.
     I just realized Tim Walz is younger than me - (crazy) - (41)
         old and weird with a really weird running mate -NT - (boxley)
         Not X - (drook) - (30)
             Correct - (pwhysall) - (29)
                 Yeah I got the gen wrong - (crazy)
                 That re-definition pisses me off to no end. - (CRConrad) - (27)
                     ok boomer -NT - (pwhysall) - (4)
                         Ehh, don't harsh it - (crazy) - (2)
                             Generation Jones - (malraux) - (1)
                                 Interesting - (crazy)
                         You X-- eh, we! We, of course! -- We X-ers are soo predictable. -NT - (CRConrad)
                     Of course, I've got you all beat . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                         Yeah Dad, we knew that. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                             Re: Ashton - (malraux)
                     Eh? - (Another Scott) - (18)
                         1) Is it, really? 2) So when did the GIs start coming home? 3) IDGAF. - (CRConrad) - (17)
                             Heh... Look what I found. - (CRConrad) - (15)
                                 And that feels exactly right to me - (crazy) - (6)
                                     You have to be from the same generation as hippies to really hate hippies - (drook) - (5)
                                         You need a certain attitude and FU money to talk back - (crazy) - (2)
                                             Until ... - (drook) - (1)
                                                 No argument there - (crazy)
                                         I think the point was, we aren't, we're from the next one. Hippies were our uncles. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                             Hippies - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 But it's not the definition *now*, so you're going to have to accept your label, boomer. -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                     Oh shadappayouface, you little emo goth millennial zoomer. - (CRConrad)
                                 Meh. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                     But what about... - (malraux) - (4)
                                         Cilantro tasting like soap is fixable. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                             I did not know that. [/Carson] Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                         Well, cilantro is in some Mexican food items. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                             Well, yes . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                             Yes, the red in that chart should clearly start a year sooner -NT - (drook)
         You and Peter Zeihan. - (CRConrad)
         Joe Biden is younger than me! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
         30M - (malraux) - (4)
             til - (drook) - (2)
                 Oh yeah, you're doomed - (crazy) - (1)
                     Boomer smugness - (rcareaga)
             Re: 30M - (rcareaga)
         Just looked him up -- less than three weeks younger than I. - (CRConrad) - (1)
             Some guys have looked like they were 50 from the time they were 20 -NT - (drook)

Bit of an extreme case, isn't it?
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