I disliked the implicit transphobia in that article.

Post #444,556 by static 7/29/24 4:58:49 AM 7/29/24 4:58:49 AM Reply	I disliked the implicit transphobia in that article. I did notice it talked about "men identifying as women" but only mentions hormone replacement right at the end. Hormone therapy changes muscle/fat distribution in the body. For MTF transition, this means losing muscle mass, which includes loss of muscle strength. This is fairly well documented. For this reason, trans gender woman athletes who have been on HRT for at least a year do not have a lot of advantage against cis gender athletes.
Post #444,559 by crazy 7/29/24 5:03:31 PM 7/29/24 5:03:31 PM Reply	Doesn't matter Pretty much anything you read on this subject will be biased until you get to the sciency studies that everybody cherry picks from. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/a-look-at-the-numbers-and-times-no-denying-the-advantages-of-lia-thomas/ It takes a tiny difference to go from run-of-the-mill to world dominating. This guy was nothing as a male swimmer. He became, sorry, she became a superstar when competing against biological women. As of 2021 they were pretty sure that the year difference was not enough. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-women-retain-athletic-edge-after-year-hormone-therapy-study-n1252764 And these guys, who are far more experienced in the subject than either of us are sure that advantage is a lot longer. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331831/ I'm not saying that every guy who turns into a woman somehow, according to whatever the medical / legal definitions are, are at an advantage over every CIS woman. But there are enough of them that they impact whatever sport they choose to get into and compete. Sports are a matter of shaving seconds and sometimes hundredths of a second from a score. The tiniest difference matters here. The people who mature as men and are now women have certain obvious advantages no matter what their testosterone levels are or what their BMI is or whatever the current measurement is. In the cases where this does not give them an advantage then we don't hear about it because we don't care about the losers. We just want to know who the winners are and whether or not they cheated to get there. This is cheating. You already said they have an advantage, just not very much. You are supporting the cheaters.
Post #444,563 by static 7/30/24 2:15:55 AM 7/30/24 5:19:38 AM Reply	[reply removed] I should not have responded in the first place. Edited by static July 30, 2024, 05:19:38 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #444,565 by CRConrad 7/30/24 4:44:27 AM 7/30/24 4:44:27 AM Reply	OK, that's you admitting you can't come up with anything because you were wrong.
Post #444,569 by crazy 7/30/24 2:34:54 PM 7/30/24 2:34:55 PM Reply	That's okay Quiet observation is all I can hope for. It's the first step in figuring out that our feelings on this subject matter are essentially the same, I.e: let's not discriminate against trans people.... We take that to further discriminating against all CIS women in this situation. This is a trolley car problem. Who do you discriminate against? Someone will end up a winner and a loser in this situation. Will it be the limited trans athletes who could have been stars or will it be every single CIS woman who has dreams of competing someday whether or not they do? I take this from several perspectives. Hopefully as an enlightened male who cares about women in general. Also, as the father of daughters and the grandfather of granddaughters. Every single one of them counts. Not just the current wannabe athletes.
Post #444,564 by CRConrad 7/30/24 4:42:36 AM 7/30/24 4:42:36 AM Reply	I think "a lot" is doing a lot of work there.

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