Yeah, I never liked red hat either

Post #444,439 by crazy 7/16/24 6:30:20 PM 7/16/24 6:30:21 PM Reply	Yeah, I never liked red hat either But I wasn't a real admin, I was the guy that threw stuff together but when the real admins showed up they had to standardize on something supportable that they knew. At that point I backed off and stuck with my Ubuntu desktop that I took care of and that was the end of that. I think the key issue for us was drivers. Somebody had a strong arm the various network card manufacturers for information to write the drivers initially and they were not giving it up without ndas to real companies. Plus we were doing this kind of early on and that meant we had to find a major manufacturer who sold it supported. That meant Dell. And that meant red hat. Even though we had high speed adapters built into the motherboard, we wanted third party latest and greatest. So that meant coordinating the driver bugs between Dell, whoever the network card manufacturer was, and red hat. We had to go that through that with raid cards for the first big SCSI raids. We had to go through that with the first fiber channel cards. If you want latest and greatest you go with biggest manufacturer, most standardized baseline, and then you start playing and then shoot yourself in the foot and say never latest and greatest again. And in those days I really cared about speed. Now I simply want it to work and ordered what I think is a 5 to 7-year-old architecture. It shouldn't matter to me.
Post #444,442 by Andrew Grygus 7/17/24 12:56:44 AM 7/17/24 12:56:44 AM Reply	RedHat took the Novel path . . . . . making things obscure and difficult to understand so you had to take classes. I know the Novel path well, as I was an authorized dealer, which means I went through a couple of those classes. Novel died because few could understand it, so inferior IBM/Microsoft networking took their market, then Microsoft took the same path.
Post #444,446 by static 7/17/24 4:48:10 AM 7/17/24 4:48:10 AM Reply	That was also partly why Banyan disappeared.
Post #444,457 by crazy 7/18/24 6:22:41 PM 7/18/24 6:22:41 PM Reply	Oh, the day we went from Novell to Microsoft networking I remember that day. It had nothing to do with my department. My local servers were dedicated. Novell back ends that we contracted out a third party too support. That was my data warehousing subdivision. But all corporate desktop support became attaching to Microsoft servers and using the Microsoft email. And that sucked. That was crashy. That was horrible. That's how Linux skunk work servers took over underneath. But that took another 10 years. And when they were caught even if they were running great they had to go find someone to support them so they could take over officially. I remember the day an article in Network magazine came out. It mentioned a hint of Linux and I took it over to my boss on the network side who had been in charge of the novel to Windows migration and said: See!, it's here, it's in the magazine you demanded to see it in. He laughed at me and said very cute and went on in his job. After many more Linux servers coming into our server room and this highly technical Network administrator who started out hating Unix, he was first at novel expert and then he was a Windows server and desktop and applications expert, we had many Linux servers come in over the following years... He's a Hands-On administrator who is really in charge of a bunch of people but he knows his stuff. There is a major crash. It needs to be researched. We are under major corporate pressure. It is as bad as it gets. And he walks into the raised floor room and yells: Get me to a Linux console! Over the preceding 3 years or so he had been learning and had been enjoying all the benefits Linux has to offer in network management. He knew Snoop and ethereal and pretty much everything those tools talked to. He knew how to research network problems. This was such a proud moment in me. I had spent the proceeding 10 years pushing towards this moment. This was a long-term project. This guy loved Linux at this point. Trust the Linux box. Get f***** by the Microsoft box. What can we do about this problem?

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