Post #444,432
7/16/24 10:41:59 AM
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Fine, I bow to the greater gun experience I am sure
I still think you're full of it. But it's not worth the argument.
You go climb a roof while people are screaming at you and screaming for the cops and you know the cop is close behind you and now you're scampering across the roof and now you turn around and you pull out your rifle and you aim it at the cop and the cop screaming and falling back. And you know that the cops got a radio and you've got a few seconds before the secret service snipers are about to kill you.
Go ahead, steady your heart rate, stop the adrenaline from causing your entire body to shake like crazy. This is a high testosterone 20-year-old male. Who's crazy enough to do what he's doing but I doubt he's got a slow heart rate sniper mentality. Who then takes a shot at the ex president of the United States at the point of guaranteed death
Sure. I believe you.
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July 16, 2024, 10:44:32 AM EDT
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Post #444,440
7/16/24 7:52:21 PM
7/16/24 7:52:21 PM
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Adrenaline and nerves, 100% agree
But that's not a long shot for anyone who has had any training at all. (Don't know if he did.)
At Marine boot camp, we shot from 500 yards with M-16s with iron sights, meaning no scopes. I was nothing special, and I could consistently get body shots. Shortest range was 200 yards, and even sitting upright to shoot most of us were hitting headshots 7 out of 10.
My brother's Army training is probably more relevant. They focus on pop-up targets at shorter range. Again, no scope, and out to 150 yards they hit more often than they missed, despite not knowing where the next target would be.
You point out that he was expecting he was about to be shot. Yeah, he knew that going up. I don't think we can assume that made him more nervous.
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Post #444,443
7/17/24 3:52:10 AM
7/17/24 3:52:10 AM
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I've shot assault rifles. Not super-much, and not all that recently, but...
...I did spend a year in the Army (like most of my age cohort did at the time), just a trifling forty years ago. (And so did my stepson, some ten years ago, and my son last year. But they were in the Finnish army, so they used a different assault rifle.) I think that's pretty much enough to know assault rifles are no sniper weapons, and that a good shot might still hit someone in the head with one at about a hundred yards.
Then again, I suspect the Swedish Army AK-4 (a clone of the Heckler & Koch G3) was more accurate than a current AR-15. Mainly because the barrel lengths on those things are shrinking all the time; I gather they're barely over a foot these days.
And if you're going to do a sniper job, don't scamper over roofs while the cops are watching -- get some good camouflage (a roof-coloured tarpaulin or something), and go hide there well before. Or whatever.
I still think it was a pretty crappy shot by a pretty crappy shot (as was to be expected under the pretty crappy circumstances (he had created for himself)), and that I'm not particularly "full of it".
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Post #444,449
7/17/24 2:34:01 PM
7/17/24 2:34:01 PM
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This is a case where both sides have a point
On the one hand, that wasn't a terribly hard shot. Short range, not a huge elevation difference, good lighting, light wind. So anyone saying it was a really hard shot doesn't know what even moderate training allows with modern guns.
On the other hand, it sounds like this guy wasn't all that good in what training he did have. (Though it matters who you're comparing him to, and who's making that assessment.) And all the other points about pressure, nerves, urgency, etc. Combined that also makes the miss completely plausible.
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Post #444,455
7/18/24 5:52:52 PM
7/18/24 5:52:52 PM
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Perfectly reasonable
No one's being dumb in the opinions on either side of this situation.
I apologize for any stridency in my words and in my tone. My inability/lack of expertise in the area of marksmanship in the first place leads me to overlay my personal experience/ opinion to the entire argument, which is of course worthless. I apologize.
Hey: let me give you a excuse. Of course it's not. But current situation is I'm down 15 lb. Normally you would say this is a good thing but it's because I can't eat. I'm trying to get an appointment to deal with it but it's difficult, voicemail hell. And so in order not to get hooked on the serious painkillers I delay and or skip doses because I'm not going to kick into dependency. So that means I really don't stand a chance of attempting to eat.
You can't drink enough muscle milk to make up for this.
On the other hand, when I do take a dose I get an opioid peak and my posting style/ attitude can be entirely different.
This state of mind has led to a wild back and forth with an old boss in an email exchange. Part of it included me showing how I had manipulated him through the years.
I say old boss but he was my boss for the first third of my career. And then we flipped roles and I was either his direct boss or he was a boss in the organization. But I had influence with his boss so I really controlled everything he did as far as the projects were concerned.
Here is where it's a straight manipulation and here is where I was his shadow boss. Here is where I have all the information and you have this little slice and that's why I think a certain way versus why you think it'll be different. Let me rip apart the veil that you thought was reality and show you what was really happening.
It was kind of fun. Once you get to the point of someone saying "that's a lot to unpack and I need to think about it for a while before responding", you've pushed past the initial denial defense.
I think we need to come up with a new industry term such as "managerial theft". It's something I've noticed individually in the past. But when I concentrated on it, I realized it was far bigger than I thought.
Resumes contain lists of project accomplished.
Managers can claim the skills of every single one of their underlings when a project is accomplished that required a certain set of skills. It doesn't matter if the manager knows nothing of that particular skill, if it was part of the project build they get to claim it. They get to claim a 100% of savings associated with projects and 100% of profit associated with projects. When all they did was toss out an occasional direction to a tech who really did everything else or farmed it out to the next level of technology.
That goes far beyond resume inflation. That should be called managerial theft.
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Post #444,461
7/19/24 6:23:06 AM
7/19/24 6:23:06 AM
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+1 for the managerial theft.
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Post #444,464
7/19/24 2:56:48 PM
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Thanks!
Endodontist/ root canal appointment in 2 weeks.
My regular dentist who also does root canals handed me off to this one who's got all the fancy equipment and she's the next up-and-coming generation and he's right she's got the greatest equipment and she has got the tools to handle me. But I've got to wait for her.
I might lose another 15 lb and I should be done with both the tooth and the weight loss. It's actually 5 lb past my goal of 25 lb but I don't mind.
Once you've adjusted to a different level of calories, the hunger settles down and it is no longer nearly as intense. So now I'm getting a slight hint of what it's like for people who starve themselves either by situation or on purpose.
When I dieted in the past on purpose I was always intensely hungry and it never went away. It was always an intense struggle not to go running to the fridge. It's not like that now.
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Post #444,484
7/22/24 8:48:36 AM
7/22/24 8:50:49 AM
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Seriously. Smoothies.
You can put 1000 calories in one with all the nutrients you need, way better than Muscle Milk.
Greek yogurt, milk (cow or other), protein powder, bananas, berries, walnuts. Everything the body needs.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #444,491
7/22/24 2:16:15 PM
7/22/24 2:16:15 PM
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Makes me want to throw up just looking at your post.
My tooth doesn't hurt anymore. I've gone through the consideration of canceling the endodontist appointment or showing up and then just telling her to check the nerve to see if it's still alive and if it's still alive then we will just ignore this.
There was a time of swelling, a time of pain, and a time of no eating. All better now.
I'm not on the major painkillers. It just seems to have resolved and now I am really annoyed.
Oh, and I lost 20 lb without trying. And I am still in that mode. I have to start eating bits slowly. Gatorade is my friend.
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Post #444,492
7/22/24 2:20:26 PM
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Glad it's feeling better.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #444,497
7/23/24 3:26:51 AM
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"Everything the body needs"???
There was no liverwurst, wienerschnitzel, or blue cheese in your list. Heck, you probably don't even put any booze in your smoothies! "Everything the body needs", my ass!
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Post #444,501
7/23/24 9:30:56 AM
7/23/24 9:30:56 AM
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Re: "Everything the body needs"???
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #444,508
7/23/24 7:41:11 PM
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yup :-)
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #444,451
7/17/24 8:43:34 PM
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agreed
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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