Post #444,399
7/13/24 10:58:42 PM
7/13/24 10:58:42 PM
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Was the assassination attempt real?
4 hours later it seems so. Of course the guy who pulled the triggers dead. So now the question is what can they find out about him.
Left-Wing background and the right wing is going to go hunting. Right-wing background and the right wing will say bullshit, the FBI made that up. And they're going to go hunting.
The camera showed Trump pulling for his ear at the moment of the shot and then showing blood and supposedly there were seven or eight shots from a couple hundred yards away. Supposedly the secret service killed the guy. Lots of supposedly's here.
There was at least one spectator who died. If that spectator was shot while sitting right behind Trump, you can be sure this was as serious assassination attempt.
And the guy missed. God damn it. That was a serious shot. 200 yd is really goddamn far away. Maybe not for you army vets but for the general population, that's a serious shot.
How many left wingers do you know that can handle a rifle that well? Here let's start a new rumor!
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Post #444,400
7/13/24 11:47:19 PM
7/13/24 11:47:19 PM
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Well, looks like the secret service was in on it
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Post #444,401
7/14/24 9:48:01 AM
7/14/24 9:48:01 AM
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nym checks out
Seems to me that you’re making the common error of attributing to a diabolical conspiracy that which is more readily explained by institutional incompetence. Occam’s AR-15, if you will.
I can’t think offhand of any figure in public life whose violent demise would rouse my heart to shallower levels of grief, but I do think that the return after decades of the fourth branch of government—the Lone Crazed Gunman—bodes ill for the polity.
cordially,
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Post #444,402
7/14/24 3:18:09 PM
7/14/24 3:18:09 PM
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Like I said, let's start some rumors!
More yet less information. The guy was a gun nut. The guy was registered Republican but he was so young I don't think he's ever voted. The guy gave some money to act blue, a Democrat organization. In this time frame it was fetterman versus someone else and that someone else didn't like guns and fetterman did.
Other than that, almost no web footprint. So of course the feds are going to be doing a deep dive on his equipment and any email accounts he has. Inquiring minds want to know. Also gossiping and rumor mongering minds want to know.
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Post #444,403
7/14/24 3:30:12 PM
7/14/24 3:30:12 PM
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Hadn't thought about the Fetterman/gun rights connection, but that tracks
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Post #444,405
7/14/24 3:47:31 PM
7/14/24 4:32:13 PM
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The ActBlue donation was an old guy with the same first and last name. [edit] Or, maybe not.
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Post #444,407
7/14/24 3:52:33 PM
7/14/24 3:52:33 PM
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This is my shocked face. :| Want to see it again?
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Post #444,415
7/15/24 8:18:26 PM
7/15/24 8:18:26 PM
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Headline: “FBI Seeks Motive”
Seems simple enough: he aimed and shot at the man’s head (and missed—as someone said of Hinckley in 1981, “this is what comes of sending an amateur to do a professional’s job”), and his motive clearly was to kill him.
As to why anyone could possibly want the man pining for the fjords, well, let me count the ways…
cordially,
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Post #444,417
7/15/24 9:53:01 PM
7/15/24 9:53:01 PM
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dunno, if I was kicked off the school rifle team for being a bad shot
I would take up a different hobby, just sayin
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #444,420
7/15/24 10:46:54 PM
7/15/24 10:46:54 PM
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He must have put in some serious practice after
This was an incredible shot for someone who has just pointed a gun at a cop and now has to lay down and take the shot he intended to, but he knows he only has a few seconds before the secret service start firing at him. And he managed to take a piece of Trump's ear. He knew he had to go for the headshot because of the bullet proof vest that Trump is almost guaranteed to wear. On the other hand, he was coming from the side so at least if he had lowered that shot he would have gotten a chance on that side torso. Either way, that was an incredible shot for the distance and the situation.
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Post #444,421
7/16/24 3:12:14 AM
7/16/24 3:12:14 AM
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"And he managed to take a piece of Trump's ear."
Is it established now that it was actually the bullet that nicked him in the ear? In the immediate aftermath, there was lots of talk about it being shards of teleprompter glass.
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Post #444,427
7/16/24 9:26:56 AM
7/16/24 9:26:56 AM
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Are you kidding?
That type of whip around and let off a few shots? To get the teleprompter it is still an incredible shot. But I'm pretty sure it was the actual bullet. They showed a picture that a photographer got of the actual bullet whizzing by his head. I'm not 100% sure but I'm close enough to accept it as the current reality.
And no, Peter, the zero prep time for that shot says you're full of it. Maybe it was a lucky shot, but it was still a great shot and next to impossible to make in this situation.
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Post #444,430
7/16/24 10:31:30 AM
7/16/24 10:31:30 AM
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No, I'm not kidding, and no, it wasn't a particularly "incredible" shot AFAICS.
120-150 m isn't all that far for a sniper shot.
(Well, OK, except maybe for being done with an AR-15. Poor fucker must have been brought up on the typical Yank propaganda, thought that's the universal Über-weapon. Adding a scope doesn't magically turn an AR-15 into a sniper rifle.)
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Post #444,432
7/16/24 10:41:59 AM
7/16/24 10:44:32 AM
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Fine, I bow to the greater gun experience I am sure
I still think you're full of it. But it's not worth the argument.
You go climb a roof while people are screaming at you and screaming for the cops and you know the cop is close behind you and now you're scampering across the roof and now you turn around and you pull out your rifle and you aim it at the cop and the cop screaming and falling back. And you know that the cops got a radio and you've got a few seconds before the secret service snipers are about to kill you.
Go ahead, steady your heart rate, stop the adrenaline from causing your entire body to shake like crazy. This is a high testosterone 20-year-old male. Who's crazy enough to do what he's doing but I doubt he's got a slow heart rate sniper mentality. Who then takes a shot at the ex president of the United States at the point of guaranteed death
Sure. I believe you.
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Post #444,440
7/16/24 7:52:21 PM
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Adrenaline and nerves, 100% agree
But that's not a long shot for anyone who has had any training at all. (Don't know if he did.)
At Marine boot camp, we shot from 500 yards with M-16s with iron sights, meaning no scopes. I was nothing special, and I could consistently get body shots. Shortest range was 200 yards, and even sitting upright to shoot most of us were hitting headshots 7 out of 10.
My brother's Army training is probably more relevant. They focus on pop-up targets at shorter range. Again, no scope, and out to 150 yards they hit more often than they missed, despite not knowing where the next target would be.
You point out that he was expecting he was about to be shot. Yeah, he knew that going up. I don't think we can assume that made him more nervous.
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Post #444,443
7/17/24 3:52:10 AM
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I've shot assault rifles. Not super-much, and not all that recently, but...
...I did spend a year in the Army (like most of my age cohort did at the time), just a trifling forty years ago. (And so did my stepson, some ten years ago, and my son last year. But they were in the Finnish army, so they used a different assault rifle.) I think that's pretty much enough to know assault rifles are no sniper weapons, and that a good shot might still hit someone in the head with one at about a hundred yards.
Then again, I suspect the Swedish Army AK-4 (a clone of the Heckler & Koch G3) was more accurate than a current AR-15. Mainly because the barrel lengths on those things are shrinking all the time; I gather they're barely over a foot these days.
And if you're going to do a sniper job, don't scamper over roofs while the cops are watching -- get some good camouflage (a roof-coloured tarpaulin or something), and go hide there well before. Or whatever.
I still think it was a pretty crappy shot by a pretty crappy shot (as was to be expected under the pretty crappy circumstances (he had created for himself)), and that I'm not particularly "full of it".
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Post #444,449
7/17/24 2:34:01 PM
7/17/24 2:34:01 PM
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This is a case where both sides have a point
On the one hand, that wasn't a terribly hard shot. Short range, not a huge elevation difference, good lighting, light wind. So anyone saying it was a really hard shot doesn't know what even moderate training allows with modern guns.
On the other hand, it sounds like this guy wasn't all that good in what training he did have. (Though it matters who you're comparing him to, and who's making that assessment.) And all the other points about pressure, nerves, urgency, etc. Combined that also makes the miss completely plausible.
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Post #444,455
7/18/24 5:52:52 PM
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Perfectly reasonable
No one's being dumb in the opinions on either side of this situation.
I apologize for any stridency in my words and in my tone. My inability/lack of expertise in the area of marksmanship in the first place leads me to overlay my personal experience/ opinion to the entire argument, which is of course worthless. I apologize.
Hey: let me give you a excuse. Of course it's not. But current situation is I'm down 15 lb. Normally you would say this is a good thing but it's because I can't eat. I'm trying to get an appointment to deal with it but it's difficult, voicemail hell. And so in order not to get hooked on the serious painkillers I delay and or skip doses because I'm not going to kick into dependency. So that means I really don't stand a chance of attempting to eat.
You can't drink enough muscle milk to make up for this.
On the other hand, when I do take a dose I get an opioid peak and my posting style/ attitude can be entirely different.
This state of mind has led to a wild back and forth with an old boss in an email exchange. Part of it included me showing how I had manipulated him through the years.
I say old boss but he was my boss for the first third of my career. And then we flipped roles and I was either his direct boss or he was a boss in the organization. But I had influence with his boss so I really controlled everything he did as far as the projects were concerned.
Here is where it's a straight manipulation and here is where I was his shadow boss. Here is where I have all the information and you have this little slice and that's why I think a certain way versus why you think it'll be different. Let me rip apart the veil that you thought was reality and show you what was really happening.
It was kind of fun. Once you get to the point of someone saying "that's a lot to unpack and I need to think about it for a while before responding", you've pushed past the initial denial defense.
I think we need to come up with a new industry term such as "managerial theft". It's something I've noticed individually in the past. But when I concentrated on it, I realized it was far bigger than I thought.
Resumes contain lists of project accomplished.
Managers can claim the skills of every single one of their underlings when a project is accomplished that required a certain set of skills. It doesn't matter if the manager knows nothing of that particular skill, if it was part of the project build they get to claim it. They get to claim a 100% of savings associated with projects and 100% of profit associated with projects. When all they did was toss out an occasional direction to a tech who really did everything else or farmed it out to the next level of technology.
That goes far beyond resume inflation. That should be called managerial theft.
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Post #444,461
7/19/24 6:23:06 AM
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+1 for the managerial theft.
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Post #444,464
7/19/24 2:56:48 PM
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Thanks!
Endodontist/ root canal appointment in 2 weeks.
My regular dentist who also does root canals handed me off to this one who's got all the fancy equipment and she's the next up-and-coming generation and he's right she's got the greatest equipment and she has got the tools to handle me. But I've got to wait for her.
I might lose another 15 lb and I should be done with both the tooth and the weight loss. It's actually 5 lb past my goal of 25 lb but I don't mind.
Once you've adjusted to a different level of calories, the hunger settles down and it is no longer nearly as intense. So now I'm getting a slight hint of what it's like for people who starve themselves either by situation or on purpose.
When I dieted in the past on purpose I was always intensely hungry and it never went away. It was always an intense struggle not to go running to the fridge. It's not like that now.
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Post #444,484
7/22/24 8:48:36 AM
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Seriously. Smoothies.
You can put 1000 calories in one with all the nutrients you need, way better than Muscle Milk.
Greek yogurt, milk (cow or other), protein powder, bananas, berries, walnuts. Everything the body needs.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #444,491
7/22/24 2:16:15 PM
7/22/24 2:16:15 PM
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Makes me want to throw up just looking at your post.
My tooth doesn't hurt anymore. I've gone through the consideration of canceling the endodontist appointment or showing up and then just telling her to check the nerve to see if it's still alive and if it's still alive then we will just ignore this.
There was a time of swelling, a time of pain, and a time of no eating. All better now.
I'm not on the major painkillers. It just seems to have resolved and now I am really annoyed.
Oh, and I lost 20 lb without trying. And I am still in that mode. I have to start eating bits slowly. Gatorade is my friend.
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Post #444,492
7/22/24 2:20:26 PM
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Glad it's feeling better.
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #444,497
7/23/24 3:26:51 AM
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"Everything the body needs"???
There was no liverwurst, wienerschnitzel, or blue cheese in your list. Heck, you probably don't even put any booze in your smoothies! "Everything the body needs", my ass!
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Post #444,501
7/23/24 9:30:56 AM
7/23/24 9:30:56 AM
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Re: "Everything the body needs"???
Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
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Post #444,508
7/23/24 7:41:11 PM
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yup :-)
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #444,451
7/17/24 8:43:34 PM
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agreed
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #444,423
7/16/24 3:20:34 AM
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It was a scoped 125m shot
Not particularly challenging for anyone who's done any amount of shooting.
I'm assuming someone who's gun-nutty enough to have a pop at the presidential candidate has done a fair bit of shooting.
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Post #444,426
7/16/24 8:55:45 AM
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That's the wonderful thing about the U.S.
You can be a raging gun nut without actually knowing shit about fuck, and you can get your hands on one super easy.
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Post #444,428
7/16/24 10:00:38 AM
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Just another bullied kid
Multiple interviews with his classmates show he had no friends and was horrendously bullied everyday. A couple of clips of him show a very strange dork.
He lived in a Trump-loving house. There were Trump signs on the law until recently. We have no idea what his particular political attitude is, if any, other than his Republican registration. Still clueless on the act blue issue.
Highly possible that the Republican registration was result of some type of influence, of either father or classmate group. They do live in that area. I'd like to know what the exact moment of that decision was.
M was registered Republican for many years even though that was against her best interest because that's what her father told her to do and he took her down to get registered and made sure she registered correctly.
Trump loving house means Trump loving dad, which means he probably got in on the bullying.
And Trump is obviously the bully in Chief ever since that press conference when he made fun of the guy who had some type of palsy and waved his hands around in a spasm.
I bet in that moment that kid's life went from merely being abused occasionally by the occasional asshole to being abused by 90% of the school daily. It was okay, the president did it. Years of personal directed hatred towards Trump.
I know that area. When you drive into the area, the theme of Deliverance will start running in your head. My current wife's family would vacation there. I've been there a few times. This is some serious in the hills bunch of Pennsyltucky hicks. You think Kentucky is bad, you haven't been to Pennsyltucky.
So I'm currently voting for uninformed bullied kid who has no real political goals, I think he was looking for a bit of fame and didn't really give a shit if he lasted another day. Life was really bad and nothing he did could make it better. It could always get worse. So take the hero/villain way out. Small town idiot with no escape hatch. But he could get some revenge on those trump-loving assholes.
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Post #444,435
7/16/24 12:57:45 PM
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Seen elsewhere:
It’s easy to see Crooks as a characteristic figure of the profound alienation found among so many young people in the social media age, in which somehow cyber-connectivity simply exacerbates the lack of actual human contact.
Crooks was someone with his whole life ahead of him—which I imagine may have been the thought that made him pull the trigger. cordially,
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Post #444,438
7/16/24 6:16:51 PM
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Very well said
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Post #444,469
7/20/24 12:34:45 AM
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So right yet so wrong and so many more unanswered questions
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Post #444,470
7/20/24 9:01:46 AM
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At this point, I know enough that his motivations are the least important part of event
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Post #444,471
7/20/24 2:59:22 PM
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Yeah, you're right
Morons don't have motivations. They have reactions.
I loved how the article said he came from a mixed political family. His mother was a Democrat and his father was a libertarian. Which is essentially a Trumper in sheep's clothing. Libertarians want all for themselves and nothing for society and they believe that nothing in society provided anything for them to get where they are and therefore they owe nothing.
When I was working libertarians were the worst personality types to work with. They were pricks. They had no end goal for society and therefore they had no desire to be part of it. But they sure love driving on those roads they didn't want to pay for.
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Post #444,473
7/21/24 3:11:31 PM
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And I just realized this is the cornerstone of the societal change we are going through right now
In the old days left wing women put up with right-wing men. All those relationships sucked. Either the woman shut up and was meek and just did what she was told or she argued and the house was always a screaming disaster.
Also, women are expected to "gentle men". Yes, those were two words on purpose. It's a mixture of true chemical biological reaction between us and a combination of society's pressure.
A guy alone is expected to be a bit wild. A guy with a woman is expected to settle down. Settle down means more than settle down and have kids. It means to stop being such a stupid f***. That was also because our brains don't mature until 25 and you can see stupid brains in men more than you can see it in women. That testosterone makes us do stupid stupid s***.
Women got married far younger than men. So the guy was already old and settled down as far as society was concerned. They rarely got married under 25 because they were expected to go out and achieve something and be worthy of marriage. And be able to support a woman and the expected future children.
This is also why single political men are trusted less than married ones. If you can't figure out your own life, which includes finding at least one woman that can deal with you and having children,, how can you be expected to be in charge politically.
This is why the political right really hate gay couples. They got married because they wanted to, because they enjoy it, because it's fun. Children are a choice to. You have to spend a lot of money on them just to have them and you really want them. This does not match their lives. Oops, got another kid, this must be God's intention!
Okay, now move on to the biological portion. Men having constant sex release estriol which converts us to be a bit more feminine. It's simply a biological process. Orgasm more equals more estriol equals more femininity.
Those a****** anti-masturbators macho idiots actually had that little bit right but they didn't know why.
Back to mixed political households, I was raised in a minor one. My mom was left and my dad was right. Not too far in either direction though. Just enough to be accepted by society in the 1950s.
Were any of you raised in that type of household?
There are far more left-wing women than right-wing men, but society pressured them into this situation.
No longer.
I absolutely would not exist today if my parents had met via one of the sex match programs. My mom was a 10. She was a short little beauty queen. My dad would be lucky to cross an attractiveness rating of 4. They were a matched couple by the rabbi and their parents. My dad bought my mom. They would never have matched nowadays.
And this was the reform version of the religion. This does not exist for the vast majority of the people the way it used to.
Between my mom's looks and my dad's looks, I'm a straight physical 4. My height at 5'7 is a 3 and my wavy hair is a 7 and I got a bit of cute factor going and on straight appearance I get a 4. My brains and personality ratchet up to an 8 but I would need some talking time to get there.
My kids wouldn't exist today for the same reason.
Today it is about actually enjoying being with the person you're with. Political alignment is the starting point of that. I support that. People should be happy to start off with, let the kids be secondary, yes, I know it's pretty much the end of civilization. Let's enjoy ourselves on the way out.
Left-Wing women tell right-wing men to go f*** themselves. Right-wing men can't get laid and become incels. Not all of them, but a significant enough portion.
Or they get laid occasionally and are part of the men going their own way movement. They are not all incels but they have a significant right-wing mentality and they are pissed off that women aren't who they used to be.
So this kid, looking the way he did, with the incredibly poor social skills that he did, living in a "mixed" political household where he wants to satisfy both Mommy and Daddy, was an explosion waiting to happen.
How many more of these households are waiting to explode?
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Post #444,493
7/22/24 2:25:52 PM
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And M's take on it is.......
Buckle up for the wild ride.
That kid had a spatial perception problem. That kid's teachers said he would never be able to be able to take that shot, that's just fucking crazy. It wasn't simply him being a bad shot on that team 4 years ago that got him tossed off it, it was because he was dangerously bad and they were worried about him killing somebody. His particular spatial perception issue does not go away with training. No. No. No.
Therefore, somebody got him to get up on that roof as a patsy. They needed someone to kill after the attempted assassination.
Which wasn't an attempted assassination of course. No no no. It was set up by Trump to ensure his election. He was expecting a couple of people to get shot behind him. He never expected the bullet to get so close to clip his ear. This is exactly what he would expect someone on the apprentice to do. This is a winner.
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Post #444,498
7/23/24 3:32:17 AM
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"Wild ride" - But we've heard of wilder things that actually happened, haven't we? Not ruling it out
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