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I think it's hard to know how this - and all the other cases - will go.

He's crazier than he was.

He has a history of settling civil cases (his "charity", his "university"), but that was before he seemingly convinced himself he was God-King.

He might plead; he might keep fighting, figuring that "his" SCOTUS will save him.

We really don't know.

Agnew's case might be instructive. Wikipedia:

Under increasing pressure to resign, Agnew took the position that a sitting vice president could not be indicted and met with Speaker of the House Carl Albert on September 25, asking for an investigation. He cited as precedent an 1826 House investigation of Vice President John C. Calhoun, who was alleged to have taken improper payments while a cabinet member. Albert, second in line to the presidency under Agnew, responded that it would be improper for the House to act in a matter before the courts.[175] Agnew also filed a motion to block any indictment on the grounds that he had been prejudiced by improper leaks from the Justice Department, and tried to rally public opinion, giving a speech before a friendly audience in Los Angeles asserting his innocence and attacking the prosecution.[176] Nevertheless, Agnew entered into negotiations for a plea bargain on the condition that he would not serve jail time.[177] He wrote in his memoirs that he entered the plea bargain because he was worn out from the extended crisis, to protect his family, and because he feared he could not get a fair trial.[178] He made his decision on October 5, and plea negotiations took place over the following days. On October 9, Agnew visited Nixon at the White House and informed the President of his impending resignation.[179]

On October 10, 1973, Agnew appeared before the federal court in Baltimore, and pleaded nolo contendere (no contest) to one felony charge, tax evasion, for the year 1967. Richardson agreed that there would be no further prosecution of Agnew, and released a 40-page summary of the evidence. Agnew was fined $10,000 and placed on three years' unsupervised probation. At the same time, Agnew submitted a formal letter of resignation to the Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, and sent a letter to Nixon stating he was resigning in the best interest of the nation. Nixon responded with a letter concurring that the resignation was necessary to avoid a lengthy period of division and uncertainty, and applauding Agnew for his patriotism and dedication to the welfare of the United States.[180]

Obviously, the former guy (TFG), cannot be forced to resign. But he might be offered a plea deal of some sort. If he doesn't take it, then he very well could be looking at jail time. (DC juries have not be kind to insurrectionists at their trials.)

We'll see!

Cheers,
Scott.

Post #442,897 by boxley 4/4/23 5:07:16 PM 4/4/23 5:07:16 PM Reply	statement of facts hold the reasoning https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-SOF.pdf up to 136 years for the max penalty "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #442,900 by Another Scott 4/4/23 7:23:17 PM 4/4/23 7:23:17 PM Reply	Yup. Some lawyers on Balloon-Juice have speculated that the story laid out in the SoF is to let him know that he's looking at conspiracy charges (and who knows what else) if he doesn't think long and hard about copping a plea. We'll see! It was a good day. And more good days are coming. Cheers, Scott.
Post #442,901 by drook 4/5/23 12:48:29 AM 4/5/23 12:48:29 AM Reply	I don't want a plea deal, I want a guilty verdict Unless the plea sets this up to be an admissible conviction in a future case. And there's no way he's facing 134 years. -- Drew
Post #442,902 by boxley 4/5/23 9:16:08 AM 4/5/23 9:16:08 AM Reply	that 134 is a max, I am sure he gets a minumum "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #442,903 by pwhysall 4/5/23 1:22:34 PM 4/5/23 1:22:34 PM Reply	I’ll bet you a pint he never sees the inside of a cell, irrespective of the outcome
Post #442,904 by boxley 4/5/23 3:20:14 PM 4/5/23 3:20:14 PM Reply	no bet "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #442,905 by Another Scott 4/5/23 3:38:17 PM 4/5/23 3:38:17 PM Reply	It's still early, and everything is new. I think it's hard to know how this - and all the other cases - will go. He's crazier than he was. He has a history of settling civil cases (his "charity", his "university"), but that was before he seemingly convinced himself he was God-King. He might plead; he might keep fighting, figuring that "his" SCOTUS will save him. We really don't know. Agnew's case might be instructive. Wikipedia: Under increasing pressure to resign, Agnew took the position that a sitting vice president could not be indicted and met with Speaker of the House Carl Albert on September 25, asking for an investigation. He cited as precedent an 1826 House investigation of Vice President John C. Calhoun, who was alleged to have taken improper payments while a cabinet member. Albert, second in line to the presidency under Agnew, responded that it would be improper for the House to act in a matter before the courts.[175] Agnew also filed a motion to block any indictment on the grounds that he had been prejudiced by improper leaks from the Justice Department, and tried to rally public opinion, giving a speech before a friendly audience in Los Angeles asserting his innocence and attacking the prosecution.[176] Nevertheless, Agnew entered into negotiations for a plea bargain on the condition that he would not serve jail time.[177] He wrote in his memoirs that he entered the plea bargain because he was worn out from the extended crisis, to protect his family, and because he feared he could not get a fair trial.[178] He made his decision on October 5, and plea negotiations took place over the following days. On October 9, Agnew visited Nixon at the White House and informed the President of his impending resignation.[179] On October 10, 1973, Agnew appeared before the federal court in Baltimore, and pleaded nolo contendere (no contest) to one felony charge, tax evasion, for the year 1967. Richardson agreed that there would be no further prosecution of Agnew, and released a 40-page summary of the evidence. Agnew was fined $10,000 and placed on three years' unsupervised probation. At the same time, Agnew submitted a formal letter of resignation to the Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, and sent a letter to Nixon stating he was resigning in the best interest of the nation. Nixon responded with a letter concurring that the resignation was necessary to avoid a lengthy period of division and uncertainty, and applauding Agnew for his patriotism and dedication to the welfare of the United States.[180] Obviously, the former guy (TFG), cannot be forced to resign. But he might be offered a plea deal of some sort. If he doesn't take it, then he very well could be looking at jail time. (DC juries have not be kind to insurrectionists at their trials.) We'll see! Cheers, Scott.
Post #442,907 by boxley 4/5/23 10:29:14 PM 4/5/23 10:29:14 PM Reply	he will appeal everything until either he or the ussc dies of old age "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #442,911 by CRConrad 4/6/23 7:06:16 AM 4/6/23 7:06:16 AM Reply	He better hope for the former, because the SC as such ain't gonna succumb to mere age. And if its members start dropping off the perch, they could be replaced with less ridiculously alt-right ones than he managed to stuff it with. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi

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