US to Europe: keep your own damn peace

Post #44,239 by marlowe 7/2/02 11:53:58 AM Reply	US to Europe: keep your own damn peace [link\|http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020702-195233.htm\|Is the free ride over?] Excerpt: The veto on Sunday went far beyond previous U.S. threats to pull the 46 U.S. police officers out of the 1,536-strong police-training mission in Bosnia. It would end the mission altogether. The veto would also halt U.N. support for 19,000 NATO-led troops in the Sfor - Stabilization Force - that is keeping Serbs, Muslims and Croats from resuming their civil war. That operation would be able to continue because its mandate comes from NATO, but German troops might have to pull out. I say: A signal to the free nations of Europe to put their money where their mouths are. No more back seat driving. No more whining about arrogance. No more hiding behind the UN. Let's see if you can do better. The risk here is, there could be terrorist cells in Bosnia. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes. If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
Post #44,242 by boxley 7/2/02 12:00:28 PM Reply	well the old Pax Allemane only lasted 6 years The euro track record for peace in their neighborhood is pretty bad. We dont have a choice with the new court in play it will be as ludicrous as putting Syria in charge of the UN Security council. A full court's existence will demand tribute because of its existence where tribunals are only called when Semi Global agreements call them into being, then they shut down when the job is done. thanx, bill Trust no court unless the Judge is in your pocket
Post #44,262 by Brandioch 7/2/02 2:17:22 PM Reply	#1. "Peace keeping" is stupid. #2. Why are we acting like children? If we want to leave, then we leave. #3. Why is it the US is talking about exceptions for its troops instead of dealing with the problem they claim is the problem? The structure of the Court itself. Nope. We're in the wrong here. Instead of working to build a Court that we feel would reflect our values, we're looking for a way to remain untouchable. Unless we're afraid that the Court WOULD reflect our values. :)
Post #44,318 by static 7/3/02 6:38:06 AM Reply	I'm waiting for the UN to say #3. :-) "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #44,314 by Ashton 7/3/02 3:27:40 AM Reply	Perspicacious LRPD: "Living in your own private Idaho."
Post #44,468 by wharris2 7/4/02 2:18:49 PM Reply	Alas for the region The entire problem should have had a European-led solution to begin with. It's in their own back yard. Sure, let's help them if they need it (who needs another war sparked in the Balkans?). But its their responsibility to mow their own yard. How many of those 19,000 U.N. - NATO troops are U.S. troops? (I'm just curious, it seems as if every time there is a U.N. sanctioned "police action", it's the good 'ole USA who is providing most of the troops and equipment.) Famous last RPG quotes: "I'll just shoot this fireball down the dungeon passageway..."
Post #44,779 by scoenye 7/8/02 1:07:45 PM Reply	Sure... That would require the expansion of the structure and power of the West European Union. Its the military wing of the EU. However, there is one NATO member which, over the decades, has been pulling out all the stops to prevent this from happening. Officialy rhetoric claims the WEU would weaken NATO. The real problem (as we see it ;) is that the WEU has the capacity to create a new super power. Which is something that same NATO member will absolutely not let happen, even to to point of using its military might to prevent it. With "divide and rule" being the policy towards European attempts to unify their military, the upshot is that Europe can't take care of anything right now even if they wanted to. As it is, market economics may make resistance moot. The EU simply can't afford 28 national armies anymore and the smaller members are already turning towards more specialized roles to complement the larger states. Who knows... maybe this flap over the International Court may yet get all the geese stepping in the same direction >:-)

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