Like I said, France, Turkey, etc.
![]() Like I said, France, Turkey, etc. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson. |
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![]() Are you in Finland responsible for Orban and Fidesz, with their anti-Muslim stance? How about Poland and the anti-LGBT zones? Slovenia and journalist crackdowns too. Are you personally responsible for the opinions and actions of those countries? Seems pretty analogous to me: EU member states have to follow EU laws, but each member state has its own constitution and government. Same thing here, we've just got more of them. The main difference is that the US doesn't have a mechanism to let states leave on their own, primarily because the US was incorporated that way and states generally weren't countries before they joined the union. Texas, however, was its own country before joining the US. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson. |
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![]() Worked example: all the stuff the UK just opted the fuck out of Also, the US is a nation-state that devolves a lot of legislative ability down to the constituent states. The EU is more of a club with a shitload of rules, which, if you don't like them, you can just leave. The most notable defining characteristic here is that the US can declare war on another nation, whilst the EU cannot. There are some more woolly differences, like the lack of a standard language, or power socket, or overarching shared identity. |
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![]() The main difference is that and the war thing (which isn't much of an issue given NATO). The EU is still young, and I imagine there were more similarities to back when the US was formed. Give it a few hundred years and the EU could be in a similar position. Other similarities: the EU participates in treaties, and there's freedom of travel, occupation, and living arrangements - as that worked example of yours is discovering. Also, it's that devolving of legislative ability that's key here. There's really fuck-all I can do to affect what goes on in Texas, and I feel a lot more sympatico with the foreign country across the river from me than I do with the Republic of Texas. So, perfect analogy? No, of course not. But it's nowhere near as cut and dried as CRC would have us believe. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson. |
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![]() The people here in Helsinki are, as a nation state, "responsible" for their compatriots in Lapland, and vice versa. That's the corresponding level to the nation state USA. I wasn't holding you responsible for what happens in your fellow NAFTA countries, was I? And Turkey "ratified" -- presumably, as an EU member?!? AFAIK, they haven't even put in an official membership application. There were preliminary talks, around and probably shortly after the turn of the century, that they were going to. But, I don't know if you've noticed, they've since regressed to become more of a typical Middle-Eastern semi-theocratic dictatorship, and even they themselves have the nous to figure out that given this there's no use even applying. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi |
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![]() It's now a theocratic government. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov |
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![]() if the reports of criminal access to the top of the government is to be believed "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman |
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![]() Reuters (from 5/20): A gang leader's video allegations of corruption among top officials has gripped millions of Turks, threatening to tarnish the image of a government already struggling with economic woes and the COVID-19 outbreak. As I commented elsewhere, I wouldn't be surprised if Erdogan tries to arrest everyone who has viewed the videos... :-/ Cheers, Scott. |
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![]() They are only claiming a theocratic orientation. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov |