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New Thank goodness the Democrats didn't bring up Coney Barrett's religion.
There's no telling what they might have found ...
Amy Coney Barrett’s nomination to the supreme court has prompted former members of her secretive faith group, the People of Praise, to come forward and share stories about emotional trauma and – in at least one case – sexual abuse they claim to have suffered at the hands of members of the Christian group. ...

For Sarah (Mitchell) Kuehl, a 48-year-old former member who grew up in the community, discussions about Barrett’s possible nomination prompted her – after years of trying to figure out how to address it – to send an email on 23 September to Craig Lent, the current head of People of Praise who also works as a professor at Notre Dame. In it, Kuehl claimed she had been sexually abused decades earlier by a “household member”, a male member of “the community” who had lived with the Mitchell family as part of the group’s communal living practices. Single people were expected to be celibate and live in family households which were expected to provide an example of married life, former members say.

After her alleged abuser – who along with her family was technically a member of a precursor group called Servants of the Light/Lord that merged in 1984 with People of Praise – admitted to her father that he had been molesting Kuehl, he was moved to another household and eventually had a marriage “arranged” for him, she said. She was four years old when the abuse began and it lasted for two years.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/21/amy-coney-barrett-people-of-praise-trauma-abuse

Imagine that. Catholics hiding a child predator by relocating him somewhere else. That sounds familiar, doesn't it? Where have I heard about that sort of thing before? Hey, maybe q anon is on to something but has the wrong group of people!
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Wouldn't have worked
Are you suggesting we hold someone responsible for the actions of other people? Do you have evidence that the actions you describe were the official policy of the group? If not, do you have any evidence that she was personally aware of these actions?

That took me about 5 seconds to come up with. You don't think she'd have a ready answer?
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Drew
New Are you a "Catholic" too?
Most of my friends growing up were Catholics and I have a very good friend who is the typical Catholic today (Irish descent, kids in Catholic school, always attends mass, etc.) He's so Catholic his name starts with O'. I had a serious conversation with him a few years back and I asked him a question. Why did he think he was entitled to a tax break for his contributions to a pedophile protection racket? EVERY SINGLE CATHOLIC knows that when they put money in the basket at least a part of that money is going to protect child predators and silence victims. They know that because they know that a part of every contribution from every parish goes directly to the Vatican. To claim otherwise is intellectually dishonest. To add insult to injury, they get to deduct the full amount of their contributions. It is obscene.

Of course, I'd go further. I would prosecute anyone who ever contributed to the Catholic church in any form over the past 50 years for child endangerment on the theory that the people funding the rape of children are no less culpable than the priests.

In the end, then, it doesn't really fucking matter if Coney Barrett committed the acts herself or not, does it? She and her entire family were deeply supportive of an organization that, in at least one case, protected the guilty. That is disqualifying for being classified a human being, let alone a Supreme Court Justice.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New You've just disqualified any Catholic from holding any office ever
Which I know is your goal. But anyone trying to do that in the real world is demonstrating a level of willful stupidity that disqualifies them from anything useful.
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Drew
New Nice, vapid rebuttal.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Et tu, Dufus
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Drew
New the 'logic' is OK, imagineering some more-Perfecter enviro in which to dwell, next..
but it flies in the Face-of the perfidy of the greater mass of decidedly-flawed humans extant. That and, the predictable results of very many
Groupies of this & that sets of 'Moralities'--carefully crafted to aver that, "I Am NOT Like That!"

Meanwhile I, We They ... Are--somewhere in the mix. Right? :-/

(aka: Having failed to conjure-up in imagination: A. God. {a Self-Created Being [??] who always manages to look Just Like Us?)
surely makes the Doxologies of all these Cults: 'catholic' in their universality or Catholic also too; all of them: self-cancelling
via unawareness that their logic is a clusterfuck-- as from the Grandfatherly-image /Menace who sometimes ... nay often:
immolates your children (driving in a Ford PInto). Etc.
Expand Edited by Ashton Oct. 21, 2020, 04:51:11 PM EDT
New Lest I leave the wrong impression, I have no special disdain for Catholics.
And in general, I'm tolerant of people claiming to believe in the dogma of any of the narcissistic desert religions, as long as they have no influence on others, let's call them the enlightened (aside: I'm very sorry Dawkins' moniker of "Brights" never took off). Anyone claiming to be an Xian of any stripe is either a liar or delusional to the point of needing medication and therapy. For if they "truly believe" then they are convinced that their belief in an imaginary, magical friend is going to allow what they know as themselves to persist forever. The idea is ludicrous on its face. Worse, this idea is extraordinarily dangerous for humankind during a lethal pandemic because it attempts to obscure the fact (and in far too many cases in this country succeeds in obscuring the fact) that human beings are non-essential life forms on this planet (not to mention being non-essential to the Universe). Humans have obviously not always been on this planet. We can disappear again. Having large populations claiming belief that "Jesus/God/Allah will save us" is, to say the very least, unhelpful in times like these.

What I can't understand is how Xianity is "still a thing" in the 21st century and why it is so widespread (still!) in this country. I particularly despise the idiotic idea that we should "respect other peoples' religious beliefs." I call bullshit. We give these idiots tax breaks to their chief mumblers (priests, imams, preachers, ministers, etc. sic nauseum), including property taxes on some of the finest properties in the country. All because they claim to believe in and have a following of believers in Medieval superstitious nonsense.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New And yet there they are
All around you and in positions of power. And somehow you believe that telling all of them they need to be medicated for the good of humanity is an effective way to win their votes.
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Drew
New Win their votes? You think that's my goal? I want to remove their voting rights completely.
Edit:
The rule would be pretty simple. You belong to a cult that is immune from taxation? You don't get to vote.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Oct. 22, 2020, 10:24:20 AM EDT
New And how would you remove voting rights? (Hint: It involves winning many elections)
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Drew
New Bigger Hint: Involves getting Americans to give up fantasies and delusions of grandeur.
Yeah, I know, good luck with that. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New That's not politics then ... we talk about politics here in this forum
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Drew
New Isn't that a Red-Herring? [Ed]
[Literal-minds send-up ..surely not Yours -- forgot the sarcasm-for-fun sign] ..rendering it merely silly.
Oh. Well.
Expand Edited by Ashton Oct. 24, 2020, 12:10:28 AM EDT
     Thank goodness the Democrats didn't bring up Coney Barrett's religion. - (mmoffitt) - (13)
         Wouldn't have worked - (drook) - (12)
             Are you a "Catholic" too? - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                 You've just disqualified any Catholic from holding any office ever - (drook) - (2)
                     Nice, vapid rebuttal. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Et tu, Dufus -NT - (drook)
                 the 'logic' is OK, imagineering some more-Perfecter enviro in which to dwell, next.. - (Ashton) - (7)
                     Lest I leave the wrong impression, I have no special disdain for Catholics. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                         And yet there they are - (drook) - (5)
                             Win their votes? You think that's my goal? I want to remove their voting rights completely. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                 And how would you remove voting rights? (Hint: It involves winning many elections) -NT - (drook) - (3)
                                     Bigger Hint: Involves getting Americans to give up fantasies and delusions of grandeur. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         That's not politics then ... we talk about politics here in this forum -NT - (drook) - (1)
                                             Isn't that a Red-Herring? [Ed] - (Ashton)

Hey, the gutters are mine now.
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