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New Do you imagine, for example…
that Susan Collins, one of the purportedly “moderate” GOP senators, will, in defeat, do the right thing? On the contrary, a vote of “fuck you” to her treacherous constituents will secure her a lucrative sinecure at some right-wing think tank.

Relying on the present GOP Senate caucus to behave in principled fashion is like trusting Lucy to hold the football in place.

New No, I'm not counting on Disappointed Susan.
Politicians like to stay in power. They're not going to blindly run off a cliff if they see other, better, options.


Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) oppose moving forward with a nomination, meaning that McConnell can afford to lose only one more Republican in the 53-47 GOP-majority Senate. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) has yet to reveal his position, as Democrats remain united that Ginsburg’s replacement should not be considered until next year.

“We’ll find out at lunch tomorrow what the plan is, but I think what’s in play here is to have one set of rules that we consistently follow,” Collins, who faced backlash for backing Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court confirmation in 2018 and who is trailing in polls in Maine, said on Monday. “In this case, we’re talking about 40 days before the election. So I believe we should wait and see who the winner of the election is.”

An average Supreme Court confirmation process takes more than two months, and the election is 43 days away. And even if the full Senate or just the Judiciary Committee remained in session through October, it would deprive some of McConnell’s vulnerable incumbents of the opportunity to campaign in their home states in the final stretch.

I suspect that they're going to rush some hearings but won't have a floor vote before the election day. There really isn't enough time, even as Moscow Mitch tries to rush it. (Like Jane Mayer reported, I too believe that he's more interested in maintaining power than having a very possibly temporary SCOTUS win, so he'll tread more carefully than he wants you to believe.)

What happens after November 3 is anyone's guess. It may very well depend on the size of the blue wave.

But even if they do ram someone onto the court this year, it's not over. Progress is slow and comes in fits and starts. Biden would have every reason to push for enlarging the SCOTUS and for other reforms (an Amendment for 18 year terms sounds like a good idea, along with some other things) and could bring much of the country with him.

We'll see.

New Why 18 years?
I understand you don't want judicial philosophy changing with Presidents, but serving three times as long as a senator seems excessive to me. It's not like we don't have enough lawyers. The year the US Constitution was ratified, White Male life expectancy (because back then, that's all that mattered) was 38 years. The youngest ever justice was 32 when he joined the bench. I'll concede that most justices lived well beyond life expectancy, but there is a compelling argument that the framers didn't think anyone would be on the bench for more than six years or so. A term of ten years is plenty. I certainly wouldn't support any more than that.

It's mourning in America again.
New On 38 years
That's a bad number to use.

Now take the life expectancy of people who made it out of infancy.

Much higher number - 54 for men, 56 for women. That number will, of course, be higher the more money you had.
New What Peter said
Those old “life expectancy” stats reflected both the mortality rate of infants and of their mothers. A male of the economic class from which Supreme Court justices were selected could reasonably expect to reach, say, my present age—and I was born not quite half a year after George VI pegged out.

New Yup.
Franklin - 84
John Adams - 91

MM - I mentioned 18 because I'd seen it mentioned elsewhere. Someone out there wants to include something like a new justice could only serve the remaining time of the justice they replace (e.g. Thomas couldn't resign at the end of 17.95 years and be replaced by his clone to sit there for a fresh 18 year term).

I expect there will be a lot of various proposals talked about with increasing fervor coming in January.

Rand - you were right to suspect that Moscow Mitch will keep his minions together. Supposedly he wants a vote as soon as October 28 (according to a story at TheHill today). It'll be interesting how much gravel Schumer can throw in the gears (e.g. the 2 hour rule he invoked today).

New This is just a thought experiment, though, isn't it?
I don't think any of us expect there to be any changes made with respect to lifetime appointments do we? I certainly don't. I don't expect any immediate (or slowly evolving for that matter) miracles. This is a broken government printing gobs of money to move around so that no one will notice that our broken government sits atop a broken economic system.

What remains as true today as when I first uttered it during the 1992 campaign, no nation in the history of the world has survived a debt as large as ours is right now. TBH, back then I wouldn't have thought we could just continue printing money to make up for the failure of Capitalism to this point. It is amazing to me that still not enough people have looked behind the curtain to not burn it all down, but simply acknowledge that it is already burned down. It is quite the spectacle.

It's mourning in America again.
New Thus: When?? do other countries wake-up to our ∞ paper-backed specie supply.. Hmm?
New (ignore; dup)
Expand Edited by rcareaga Sept. 22, 2020, 04:01:36 PM EDT
     Justice Ginsburg D I E S ... [Edited] - (Ashton) - (36)
         Re: Justice Ginsburg D I E S - (malraux) - (7)
             Worse!! ..can you Believe that? Watch: - (Ashton)
             what if it goes 4-4? great jurist, whoever gets nominated by whomever will not be as good -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                 Unlikely - (InThane) - (2)
                     Moscow Mitch has shown that he has trouble counting. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                         Re: Moscow Mitch has shown that he has trouble counting. - (InThane)
                 4-4 means the appellate decision stands. - (malraux) - (1)
                     And with the court stuffing Mitch has done in the past 3.5 years, that's not encouraging. -NT - (mmoffitt)
         The Senate contemplates the abyss - (rcareaga) - (26)
             What the World needs next.. - (Ashton) - (25)
                 Hey!!11 - (Another Scott) - (24)
                     Probably best that.. there's no guessing enroute to deNazification /or not ... tick tick ttick -NT - (Ashton)
                     yabut… - (rcareaga) - (22)
                         But he needs 50+1 votes. - (Another Scott) - (21)
                             Re: But he needs 50+1 votes. - (rcareaga) - (11)
                                 McConnell has had trouble counting in the past. - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                     "It's not over yet." No, Our Rome doesn't burn ..we are amidst the s l o w death-via-Despicables®. -NT - (Ashton)
                                     Do you imagine, for example… - (rcareaga) - (8)
                                         No, I'm not counting on Disappointed Susan. - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                             Why 18 years? - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                                 On 38 years - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                     What Peter said - (rcareaga) - (3)
                                                         Yup. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                             This is just a thought experiment, though, isn't it? - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                 Thus: When?? do other countries wake-up to our ∞ paper-backed specie supply.. Hmm? -NT - (Ashton)
                                                     (ignore; dup) - (rcareaga)
                             He just picked up Rmoney's. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                 why dont we just ditch the USSC? Since you love the popular vote so much - (boxley) - (7)
                                     That scenario played-out on TV moons ago ... Badly; If'n you don't know Why on Inspection, Pity. -NT - (Ashton) - (6)
                                         Believe they did that in "Brazil" also, and "Max Headroom" -NT - (drook)
                                         I remember Bill Clinton's election and was informed by white college educated ladies - (boxley) - (4)
                                             For every one of her, there are 10,000 of these. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                 {{Has gun, cyanide; hopes to grab gun {insurance} before elixir does it fershure.}} -NT - (Ashton)
                                                 another reason why the popular vote is a bad idea -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     ... except compared to all the others. -NT - (Another Scott)
         8 minutes: a friend's bio as lifelong friend of RBG - (Ashton)

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