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New s/fear/aversion.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New And the reason for the aversion is?
Just trolling now, don't care. Answer only if you have dead time and don't care either.
New What Weingarten said. "...no English word should be pronounced with a “shtr” sound."
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Have you heard him speak?
He sounds like Donald Duck, his words fall out of his face in a seemingly random jumble of syllables, he has a terrible command of metre and volume, and should join you in backing down.

I'm no great public speaker, but then I'm not the one criticising Michelle Obama.
New Heh. "Criticizing her." Because I said her speech was good?
Are we really at the point where saying that something is good but not great is actually considered criticism? Or that, depending upon the speaker, the mispronunciation of words is not to be pointed out because that would be unfair criticism? How old are you? Did you grow up in the period where "Everyone gets a trophy"™? We had a period like that. You, too?
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New You damned with faint praise and then went on with insults.
New That's not all you said
I said it was a good speech.

...

It's lazy and extraordinarily grating. Worse, it detracts from whatever is being said.

Your observation that she has this dialect is perceptive.

It's condescending and extraordinarily grating. Worse, it detracts from whatever is being said.


What? I said it was perceptive?
--

Drew
New I replied to Box, below re 'Language Itself' This for you:
Had you not made the connection that 'Schlurring' a familar word ..has subliminal connotations of ~"a drunk trying to speak"?
Subliminal--it is Every-when--in all of Us. And it needs no internal dialogue--in event of a triggering usage--for that to excite
the Emotional center.. only much later ... the intellectual i.e.

A koan I've verified is:
The Instinctive (say, 'center'-of-brain) is Fastest, [OUCH-stove is HOT] followed by
The Emotional, also very-much faster than
The intellectual, slowest: it has so-many intertwined memory-places to connect
(as does the Emotional == but it does so such faster)

This was not a point made by Mike, but it's My point. And I have already made clear that I Loved her presentation.
I am not caviling over her affliction, just noting that it could have caused some to undervalue her assertions:
without even knowing 'Why' ..a Negativity crept in. Have caught-self in just this brain-speed-bias thing,
also compared it with and via others' experience of the phenom. Por moi this is as clear as, cause/effect. YMMV.

Language + Elocution! are vastly more complex than say, making a fission-bomb via knowing what a couple spare neutrons can DO
... to a Civilization, forever. I wot.
New IT IS *NOT* A DIALECT ISSUE. DIALECTS ARE TIED TO REGIONS OR GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
It is simple mispronunciation.

From above, "It turns out that professional linguists have been discussing it passionately among themselves, in their blogs and whatnot. It is an example of something called 'alveopalatal assimilation,' and though everyone agrees it is on the upswing, there is no consensus on why. It does not appear to be of regional or ethnic origin."

You know what's lazy? Using "it's just my dialect" as an excuse for mispronunciation.

HTH.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New what about frogtalking? woman rasping like a frog on purpose not regional put epidemic
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Thank you /thank you: a Keeper. [Ed}.
Movin' pitchures w/ Sound! to boot. Nice that speech pathologists have Named the irritants--and this compact essay clarifies a bunch.

What I didn't see there, though:
some analysis of (what may also be an artifact of my hearing's particular frequency-graph du jour): young women whose 'fricatives' ... causes them to sound like Minnie Mouse. Impossible to be sure if It's Moi or: does anyone know what I mean /have heard this? It is as-if they are mixing a treble/falsetto into most words; producing near a bird-like Valley-speak irritation, in the jelloware.

Humans! ... even their mouth noises can irritate as much as communicate, (especially when we mix in some momentary pecksniffery).

PS: obviously you paid Attention in 'dialect class'. (In retrospect, I wish I'd attended such, early-on); imagine the advantage, even: in just normal debating tactics! But one must never stoop to Menace-ware pure-Nastiness re an opponent's speech impediment--advice that only such as a Menace (could not even understand). We're sometimes Lucky via his auto-destruct pig-ignorance made visible; alas--his Base *feeds on it. Thus {still} may KIll Us All.

* I ƒeare that this IS the Damocles' Sword overhanging the entire Planet: Iggerance writ Large, en masse. :-/
Expand Edited by Ashton Aug. 21, 2020, 04:32:40 PM EDT
New Lighten up, Francis
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dialect
d: a variety of language whose identity is fixed by a factor other than geography (such as social class)


Can you explain why pronouncing words one way is "lazy" compared to another way? If I were to try to speak in a different dialect than my own, it would be harder. But you seem to take the position that there is a "correct" pronunciation and that anything else is not just "wrong" but "lazy". And "lazy" of course is bad and less worthy.
--

Drew
New Because he needs to find fault to feel superior
Feelings..... Nothing more than feelings.....
New Yeah. Right. I *feel* proper pronunciation is important.
And I reject as lazy failing to make an effort to do so. And I find it appalling that a person would rather hand wave an excuse that smacks of "you're picking on me because of my dialect" when it has fuck all to do with dialect. It is lazy to not learn to speak properly. I'm done.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New C'mon crazy: 'Projection' is reserved /expected from the forces of The Menace, not the sentient.
New Ha.
Skipped the first three. Well done.

a: a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation from other regional varieties and constituting together with them a single language

b: one of two or more cognate (see COGNATE entry 1 sense 3a) languages

c: a variety of a language used by the members of a group
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Because the 4th is *also true*
--

Drew
     Let us salute Michelle Obama, perhaps the wisest speaker of them all. Eh? - (Ashton) - (66)
         She was great. Really excellent speech. -NT - (Another Scott) - (65)
             It was a good speech, but come on. It wasn't "great." Let's not oversell. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (64)
                 Caviling? ... - (Ashton) - (62)
                     It wasn't a "We will fight them on the beaches" speech. - (mmoffitt) - (61)
                         Man, the things you let yourself get hung up on ... -NT - (drook)
                         She had a dry mouth. - (crazy) - (49)
                             I said it was a good speech. - (mmoffitt) - (46)
                                 On same-page re the 'grating' but, - (Ashton)
                                 Your're pretty sensitive for a guy who . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                     I've spent a little time studying Trotsky's last days. - (mmoffitt)
                                 Reasonable point on recording - (crazy) - (1)
                                     Who TF does that? - (mmoffitt)
                                 It's not lazy and it's only grating to ... - (crazy)
                                 You don't understand accents or dialect - (pwhysall) - (39)
                                     Interesting comparison ie: BBC News reader - (crazy) - (2)
                                         Took a dialect class during my year as a drama major - (drook)
                                         Many years have passed since we spoke... - (pwhysall)
                                     I swear I'd not read this until moments ago. But I've a Pulitzer Prize winner on my side. - (mmoffitt) - (35)
                                         Still missing the main point - (drook) - (20)
                                             He's made it clear - (crazy) - (19)
                                                 Would that be... - (malraux)
                                                 s/fear/aversion. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (17)
                                                     And the reason for the aversion is? - (crazy) - (16)
                                                         What Weingarten said. "...no English word should be pronounced with a “shtr” sound." -NT - (mmoffitt) - (15)
                                                             Have you heard him speak? - (pwhysall) - (14)
                                                                 Heh. "Criticizing her." Because I said her speech was good? - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                                                                     You damned with faint praise and then went on with insults. -NT - (crazy)
                                                                     That's not all you said - (drook) - (11)
                                                                         I replied to Box, below re 'Language Itself' This for you: - (Ashton)
                                                                         IT IS *NOT* A DIALECT ISSUE. DIALECTS ARE TIED TO REGIONS OR GROUPS OF PEOPLE. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
                                                                             what about frogtalking? woman rasping like a frog on purpose not regional put epidemic -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                                 Vocal fry - (drook) - (1)
                                                                                     Thank you /thank you: a Keeper. [Ed}. - (Ashton)
                                                                             Lighten up, Francis - (drook) - (5)
                                                                                 Because he needs to find fault to feel superior - (crazy) - (2)
                                                                                     Yeah. Right. I *feel* proper pronunciation is important. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                     C'mon crazy: 'Projection' is reserved /expected from the forces of The Menace, not the sentient. -NT - (Ashton)
                                                                                 Ha. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                                     Because the 4th is *also true* -NT - (drook)
                                         Re: I swear I'd not read this until moments ago. But I've a Pulitzer Prize winner on my side. - (boxley) - (5)
                                             (I use 'thee and thou'; I don't confusicate Stuff with Schtuff and I still think doing-so: Sch-ucks - (Ashton) - (4)
                                                 Speaking of which... - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                     Heh! never þought I Be prescient.. but feels nice ever to be a þorn ..in any Repoþ's jelloware :-) - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                         I don't watch much TV of any sort these days. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                             Just informing is all: no need to proselytize re authentic virtuosi, I wot.:-) -NT - (Ashton)
                                         Well, are you sure this isn't actually restoration . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
                                             English is more like Scandinavian than German - (malraux) - (6)
                                                 English is a thieving language. - (static) - (2)
                                                     That has always been the way English works. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                                                         ..and that's a Keeper too; your encyclopædia Rocks - (Ashton)
                                                 I wrote "Germanic", not German. - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                 Going the other way - (scoenye) - (1)
                                                     I recall reading that the King's / Queen's English . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                             Nice.. I'd missed your subtle, obvious point. - (Ashton) - (1)
                                 Rosalynn Carter is class through and through. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                         wat - (pwhysall) - (9)
                             We stopped taking lessons from you lot over two centuries ago. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                 Y'all can believe that if you like - (pwhysall)
                             Also. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                 pronounce it like its spelled, lout -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                                     I was being a smartass. You know the Brits have a different word for it, right? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                         no, you spelled it wrong as well -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                             Not here or in Canada. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                 so proper speech depends on locale? good to know -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                     Oui. Da. ¡Si! Sehrgut, as in ... Duh: Matey, Señor .. ... -NT - (Ashton)
                 Yeah, and tRump said it was not live but pre-recorded. - (a6l6e6x)

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