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New Everyone supports the NHS over here
Because not to do so is political suicide.

But here != there.

As noted by some American analyst on Radio 4 this morning, the election in November is really all about 80,000 swing voters in 5 states.

Sanders is toxic to sufficient swing voters that he cannot win. Biden is likely toxic to Sanders voters (and herewith half the fuckin' problem; there's nowt the Left (relative or otherwise) enjoys more than shouting "splitters!" at people whose goals largely align with their own), but can attract the floaters.

The other problem, of course, is that even if I'm dead wrong, and on paper Sanders can win, his victory is predicated on The Youth.

And The Youth will blow off voting for all sorts of reasons, including slightly inclement weather, something good on TV, shiny objects, and nothing at all. The Old vote no matter what, come hell or high water.

Aside:
Also note that Corbyn built a solid foundation of activism over his 33 years in parliament; whilst almost certainly well-intentioned, he did thing after thing after thing that made him look like he was aligned with if not actually sympathetic to our enemies and antagonists. A classic case was him going to Dublin to "negotiate" with Sinn Fein, back when SF were yet to be legitimate in the eyes of the UK government; what the fuck did he think he was doing? He had literally no mandate; he was just some bloke, and he ended up coming off, as always did, as being in bed with the enemies of the UK. At the very best he's always looked thoroughly unpatriotic.

AFAIK, Sanders has never done this. So there's that.
New It's difficult to argue with that.
Particularly this bit...
But here != there.

Understood. BUT how are we ever going to improve here (the US) to the point that we get close to there (the UK) if we keep electing people beholding to the bankster class?

I think I was first, here, to voice concern that if Bernie is the nominee, we run the danger of a McGovern replay. Still, if we are ever to improve our lot, isn't it absolutely necessary that we continue to try? Perhaps not. Perhaps it is time to call in the boats and piss on the Admiral. That is a bitter pill to swallow for anyone who has children and has, unlike the overwhelming majority of his fellow Americans, had the privilege of travelling to far more advanced societies across the Atlantic.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Re: It's difficult to argue with that.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the slightly less crappy, is all I can say.

Because "slightly less crappy" is all that's - realistically - on offer.
Expand Edited by pwhysall March 9, 2020, 03:12:55 PM EDT
New But not difficult to argue with that.
I've grown increasingly weary of the "don't let the perfect be the enemy ..." nonsense. I'm not talking about anywhere near perfect. I'm talking about, God help me, returning to the more just years of Reagan's 1980's. I cannot accept that such is too much to ask and I reject outright the notion that those days were "perfect."

Still, I think it's over for Bernie. All the establishment Democrats (read: New Way, Republican Democrats) are lining up behind the Plagiarist Senator from MBNA and it's only a matter of time before he's the nominee. More is the pity. But, as you say, it's the best we can do. I can think of no greater indictment of our system and our people than that to close upon.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt March 9, 2020, 03:42:07 PM EDT
     Warren Out. - (mmoffitt) - (31)
         Of course she will endorse Bernnie - (Andrew Grygus)
         Indeed! Why not endorse the candidate who is guaranteed to lose! - (pwhysall) - (15)
             You got it! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
             Biden has no chance. We'll have Trump for 4 more years. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                 I'm not sure of your point. - (pwhysall) - (12)
                     Biden won *The South* FFS. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                         Everyone supports the NHS over here - (pwhysall) - (3)
                             It's difficult to argue with that. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                 Re: It's difficult to argue with that. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                     But not difficult to argue with that. - (mmoffitt)
                         Voters in primaries != voters in election. - (a6l6e6x) - (6)
                             Michigan decided that Biden has the best chance to beat Trump. - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                                 If you run a Republican against a Republican, a Republican will win every time. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                     And if you run a Democrat against a Republican but "progressives" won't vote for him...? - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                         The Progressives aren't the problem - (scoenye)
                                         Perhaps I was too subtle. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                             No, you weren't. But you're far too fucking cock-sure of yourself. - (CRConrad)
         Seen elsewhere, anent the Sanders campaign: - (rcareaga)
         Re: Warren Out. - (rcareaga) - (12)
             I don't think I'll sit it out. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                 out of curiosity - (rcareaga) - (10)
                     why people vote or not - (boxley)
                     A variation in C#-Minor re this: an early start on culling voters--on steroids: - (Ashton)
                     She's reconsidered. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                         I can call the spirits from the vasty deep! - (rcareaga) - (6)
                             GI bill is still available so there is a model to provide schooling for public service -NT - (boxley)
                             So, your message to following generations is, "I got mine. Too bad for you" then? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                 Most-all agreed ..in Calif. pre-Ronnie: it Was a Fiesta for *cheap* Edjumacacion. - (Ashton)
                                 trying to clean the wrong end of the pool, go to the hershey bar side - (boxley)
                                 Re: So, your message to following generations is, "I got mine. Too bad for you" then? - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                     It's muddy.. - (Ashton)

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