blood work wont tell you a dam thing about high blood pressure

Post #430,808 by boxley 9/17/19 9:20:01 PM 9/17/19 9:20:01 PM Reply	blood work wont tell you a dam thing about high blood pressure with medication mine is around there. good link https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-pressure/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20373417 good as in reasonable and not much woo "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #430,811 by drook 9/17/19 11:00:58 PM 9/17/19 11:00:58 PM Reply	Thanks, going to keep looking Treatment Changing your lifestyle can go a long way toward controlling high blood pressure. Your doctor may recommend you make lifestyle changes including: * Eating a heart-healthy diet with less salt * Getting regular physical activity * Maintaining a healthy weight or losing weight if you're overweight or obese * Limiting the amount of alcohol you drink I already eat better than most Americans. I bike a lot, regularly. I'd like to lose a little, but I'm not significantly overweight. I drink very rarely. That leaves drugs. Not interested. -- Drew
Post #430,815 by malraux 9/18/19 10:36:21 AM 9/18/19 10:36:21 AM Reply	Tangent One of the drugs I'm entertaining for my migraines is Propranolol, which is also a blood pressure medication. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #430,818 by boxley 9/18/19 11:57:20 AM 9/18/19 11:57:20 AM Reply	also lose the energy drinks and caffeine also lose a lot of the over the counter meds that are vaso tighteners (items that constrict blood vessels) a lot of them are. once on the drugs rarely off so better to control without I use a internal medicine for my primary care Dr "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #430,829 by drook 9/18/19 1:30:35 PM 9/18/19 1:30:35 PM Reply	I quit caffeine cold turkey when I had a kidney stone -- Drew
Post #430,820 by boxley 9/18/19 11:59:35 AM 9/18/19 11:59:35 AM Reply	forgot, niacin can assist in lowering blood pressure and you need that anyway "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #430,831 by drook 9/18/19 1:31:53 PM 9/18/19 1:31:53 PM Reply	Will look into it, but like you I prefer to not get on something that'll be forever -- Drew
Post #430,834 by boxley 9/18/19 3:40:43 PM 9/18/19 3:40:43 PM Reply	niacine is needed anyway for your brain to keep current the recommended amounts for blood pressure is ridiculous what I take is a couple of Super B vitamins. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #430,844 by crazy 9/19/19 9:42:15 AM 9/19/19 9:42:15 AM Reply	Yup, forever I am on ever increasing dosage of metoprolol. This both reduces blood pressure and heart rate. If I stop, I go into tachycardia and possibly die. Remember Beep bash when I lost 1/2 a Scott in 6 months, ie: 1/3 of my body weight? And what was left was pure muscle? Damn I loved that body (gone now). My BP was 190/100 in those days. Exercise and diet and clean living did not change it in the slightest bit. I went on the meds.
Post #430,845 by malraux 9/19/19 10:15:41 AM 9/19/19 10:15:41 AM Reply	Or not One of the ways to reduce stress and anxiety for migraines is to exercise. But I can't exercise because they set off my migraines. It's vicious circle and I need to break it somehow. Once I get the migraines under control and can start exercising again I may be able to taper off the meds. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #430,855 by crazy 9/19/19 3:07:42 PM 9/19/19 3:07:42 PM Reply	You try imitrex?
Post #430,859 by malraux 9/19/19 4:22:04 PM 9/19/19 4:24:05 PM Reply	Haven't tried anything yet. She gave me 3 options to research: nortriptyline (antidepressant), topiramate (antiseizure), and propranolol (blood pressure) Imitrex is for treatment after you know it's coming on. I get them 1-2 times a day and am more suited for a prophylactic than an acute treatment. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson. Edited by malraux Sept. 19, 2019, 04:23:47 PM EDT Edited by malraux Sept. 19, 2019, 04:24:05 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #430,866 by crazy 9/19/19 8:51:13 PM 9/19/19 8:51:13 PM Reply	Understood In the old days I'd get a possible aura and pop an ergotamine. Which only worked if caught REALLY early. Then imitrex injectable came out. Side effects were a roaring fire in your chest for 30 seconds, and migraine got erased. No matter how deep I was into it. Nowadays they have the tablet, works in about 20 minutes, no side effect. I suggest you get a script for it to keep handy, for the moment the prophylactic fails.
Post #430,868 by malraux 9/20/19 1:21:20 PM 9/20/19 1:21:20 PM Reply	Once I see how this does, for sure. She thinks there's a pretty good chance they just won't happen any more. And the ones I get are typically pretty low-grade: no real headache, minor aura. The problem is that 1-2 a day means I'm in constant postdrome and always exhausted and fuzzy. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #430,847 by Andrew Grygus 9/19/19 12:28:17 PM 9/19/19 12:28:17 PM Reply	Hawthorn extract is supposed to be effective. The jars have a warning not to take hawthorn if using blood pressure reducing drugs. I ordered in a couple of jars but never opened them. Nurse Annie, my dermatologist, had me go through two cycles of internal steroid treatment. (talk about pain!) and my blood pressure measured up to 162/82, but it steadily declined after the treatments, so I never tried them. Last night I measured 127/62, and this morning it was 127/66. If my right hand starts to tingle, I know it's down around 108, but that rarely happens. On the other hand, I'm only 76. Maybe it will get higher as I get older.
Post #430,850 by drook 9/19/19 2:32:56 PM 9/19/19 2:32:56 PM Reply	Mine's around 140/85 ... Not OMG GET TO A HOSPITAL but I won't tell my nurse mother-in-law -- Drew
Post #430,852 by boxley 9/19/19 2:41:39 PM 9/19/19 2:41:39 PM Reply	my general understanding is the bottom number is very important for a while mine was 120/101, not a good thing "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #430,867 by boxley 9/19/19 9:16:54 PM 9/19/19 9:16:54 PM Reply	just picked some up, will experiment over the weekend https://www.walmart.com/ip/Spring-Valley-Hawthorn-Berries-Vegetarian-Capsules-565-mg-100-count/11047687 "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #432,067 by Another Scott 12/25/19 9:34:49 PM 12/25/19 9:34:49 PM Reply	Too much niacin is bad. My doc is a big fan of supplements (much more than I am - skeptic that I am). But he said that too much niacin is bad, and you need a lot of niacin to have an effect on BP (or cholesterol)... https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements-niacin/art-20364984 TANSTAAFL. Cheers, Scott.
Post #431,102 by CRConrad 10/7/19 10:14:33 AM 10/7/19 10:14:33 AM Reply	One more "natural remedy" you could look into... ...would be to make sure you get enough sleep, if you're not 200% certain you do already. Lack of sleep is a real fucker, from what one hears recently it seems to screw up just about every damn aspect there is to your health. -- Christian R. Conrad The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Post #431,107 by drook 10/7/19 1:49:56 PM 10/7/19 1:49:56 PM Reply	I haven't gotten enough sleep since I've had children -- Drew
Post #431,109 by Ashton 10/7/19 4:43:40 PM 10/7/19 4:43:40 PM Reply	¡Great Hastur!! you've broken the Codex.. 1) make babies. 2) perpetual sleep-deprivation 3) acquire uncountable {unfathomable} symptoms 4) 'sinusoidal depleneration' [damped-sine-wave] -----> 5) species collapse ensues--and nobody decodes Why!? 6) there is no 6) I need to go pet a cat..

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