Post #430,657
9/4/19 2:41:46 PM
9/4/19 2:41:46 PM
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I don't think that's likely.
Everything else aside, that would dramatically increase the likelihood of The Troubles returning to Ireland and no sane person wants that. But it would also hurt Europe if the UK left without a deal - just not as dramatically as it would hurt the UK.
I'm claiming no expertise here, just voicing an opinion.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #430,661
9/4/19 7:21:47 PM
9/4/19 7:21:47 PM
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Europe may take up baseball yet
Dragging this out indefinitely is not in their interest either. The first extension came with a warning that there would not be another just for the sake of extending things. They'll likely extend it now due to the upheaval but a 3rd request may result in "you're out!". Especially given no progress has been made at all on the agreement.
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Post #430,663
9/5/19 1:59:30 AM
9/5/19 1:59:30 AM
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There is no "you're out!"
There is only "there are no more extensions, and as you have not retracted your Article 50 declaration, it now takes effect".
The EU cannot eject the UK. The UK can only leave or not.
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Post #430,665
9/5/19 7:36:14 AM
9/5/19 7:36:14 AM
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Ok, so a bit more then semantics, but ...
If they don't retract their Article 50 declaration, then they're out?
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Post #430,667
9/5/19 10:44:22 AM
9/5/19 10:44:22 AM
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If the EU refuses another extension and the UK doesn't revoke, they're out and chaos ensues.
The EU has said they won't approve any deal that does not include the backstop. Even if the UK is somehow miraculously able to "leave" without the backstop, as Peter has noted and documented quite well here, even ignoring the not insubstantial work that would have to be done to craft a new UK-EU trade deal and have it agreed, the UK will be scrambling to replace all the EU regulations currently present with their own. There are messy divorces and then there's this abortion. They had their 500 uninformed fools and we had ours. We murdered Socrates here with Trump. They murdered Socrates there with the Brexit referendum. There can be no one left to defend the idea of democracy wherein "the common man" is allowed any say in how a society is governed.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #430,668
9/5/19 11:04:45 AM
9/5/19 11:04:45 AM
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well you should be happy about trump and sing his praises
since he doesnt beleive the common man should have a say either
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #430,669
9/5/19 11:45:25 AM
9/5/19 11:45:25 AM
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Hardly.
He's exploiting the common man's idiocy, bigotry, xenophobia and inability to see things clearly and come to a logical conclusion about anything in order to achieve power. They shouldn't have a say, but they do. And he is exploiting them. Mind you, he is a stupid as they are, he just happened to win the lottery of birth. So, TBH, I cannot say for certain if he is exploiting them or is just one of their kindred spirits.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #430,675
9/5/19 5:52:17 PM
9/5/19 5:52:17 PM
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Well said.. Sadly.
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Post #430,677
9/5/19 6:54:38 PM
9/5/19 6:54:38 PM
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Part of that is covered
The EU Withdrawal Act is a copy/paste operation that transfers all EU laws & regulations to the UK books.
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