If I have to look it up, the UI has failed.

Post #429,956 by malraux 7/24/19 12:05:38 PM 7/24/19 12:05:38 PM Reply	If I have to look it up, the UI has failed. This is pretty basic stuff. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #429,957 by boxley 7/24/19 1:44:38 PM 7/24/19 1:44:38 PM Reply	well I would have to look up to see how to do it with the UI :-) "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #429,958 by malraux 7/24/19 1:47:58 PM 7/24/19 1:47:58 PM Reply	So did I, hence my post. ;-) It's crazy bad. They took all the old network properties and buried them a few modal dialogs deeper. There also appear to be multiple ways to get there, and multiple network settings dialogs. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #429,960 by boxley 7/24/19 1:53:56 PM 7/24/19 1:53:56 PM Reply	thats why I stay out of gui's "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #429,964 by malraux 7/24/19 3:41:34 PM 7/24/19 3:41:34 PM Reply	I'm well into the "can't be arsed with that" stage of my career Concepts, fine, but I need to do something like that (on any platform) so infrequently that there's no point in trying to remember it any more. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #429,966 by boxley 7/24/19 3:51:35 PM 7/24/19 3:51:35 PM Reply	dunno but after argueing with a .mil STIG specialist over the meaning of requisite vs required all morning it is a nice break to go tootling around the cmd line "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #429,967 by malraux 7/24/19 4:16:07 PM 7/24/19 4:16:07 PM Reply	I get enough command line with git at this point :-P Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #429,972 by pwhysall 7/25/19 11:22:37 AM 7/25/19 11:22:37 AM Reply	Re: If I have to look it up, the UI has failed. Heh, this isn't just a Windows thing. Windows networking from the GUI has always been donkey balls. OTOH, you've got netsh, which is crazy good at putting all your networking into one scriptable thing. So, yeah. If you want to see an utter shitshow of settings, you need to spend some time fucking around with a current iPhone, like I did the other night (wouldn't send SMS, couldn't activate iMessage or Facetime; ended up being a carrier issue, but whev). It's just as well they added a search to it, because it's even worse than Android these days. AND WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SHOW ME THE FUCKING SMS MESSAGE CENTRE NUMBER WITHOUT ME HAVING TO GOOGLE A HALF-DOZEN ## COMMANDS? WHYYYYYYYY?
Post #429,973 by malraux 7/25/19 11:27:14 AM 7/25/19 11:27:14 AM Reply	Definitely not just Windows. This is another layer of balls around the original balls, though. Maybe scabrous Tasmanian Devil balls, not sure. I shouldn't have to go faff around with netsh just to make it work, either. iPhone networking has always just worked for me, happily I haven't had to mess with them at all. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #429,974 by Andrew Grygus 7/25/19 11:51:42 AM 7/25/19 11:51:42 AM Reply	I have no problem with this, even in Windows 10 I just type "CONTROL" on the search bar and it brings up the old fashioned control panel, which I set to "small icons". After this, just typing "C" or at most "CO" on the search bar gets me to the control panel. I do a lot of this, especially when setting up a static IP connection with an AT&T router. AT&T routers can't do bridging, so there's a whole lot of configuration in the router, and testing, especially when IP phones are involved.

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