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New Women's sports are different.
Yesterday the US Women's National Football/Soccer team played Thailand in the World Cup Group stage. They won 13-0. I had planned to watch, but accidentally saw the score, so I did not. I was supporting the US Women's team, but after yesterday, I'm now rooting for every single nation except the US in that competition. I just read a pathetic rationalization by the women's team manager/coach as well as some of the women players and I was sickened. I don't give a rat's ass what anyone says, running the score up in any sport is bad form plain and simple. At 5-0 the manager kept substituting attacking players. There's a "C" word unpopular here that describes a person performing that sort of coaching.

Then I remembered, this is women's football. No wonder they all defend the poor form of running up the score on a hopelessly non-competitive opponent. They're women and therefore have absolutely no understanding of mercy.

I hope they go down in the first stage of the knock out rounds. The Cun...!
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Goals are used in the rankings. There was nothing wrong with them running up the score.
tokyokie at Balloon-Juice:

66 tokyokie says:

June 11, 2019 at 5:24 pm

@–bd:

No mercy. With only 3 round robin games in the group, you need to grab those goals where you can find them since goal differential is usually the first tie breaker. With two of the four advancing, if a couple of teams go 1-1-1 in the group, the goal differential is the difference between 2nd place in the group and advancing compared to 3rd place and going home.


Case in point, the 1974 World Cup. Brazil, Yugoslavia, Scotland, and Zaire made up one of the groups. Brazil, Yugoslavia, and Scotland all tied when they play one another, and all three shut out Zaire. However, the Scots had the misfortune of playing Zaire first, and were satisfied with a 2-0 victory. But by the time Yugoslavia played Zaire, they’d already tied Brazil and knew that Brazil and Scotland had tied, so they laid a 9-0 thrashing on Zaire. Brazil played Zaire in the last match of group play and knew they merely needed to best Scotland’s goal total to advance, and accordingly, beat Zaire, 3-0. Scotland thus became the only undefeated side in the tournament but failed to advance.


MCA1 at Balloon-Juice:

72 MCA1 says:

June 11, 2019 at 5:31 pm

Forget the goal differential stuff – you can’t have a mercy rule in the World Cup, period. It’s the highest level of competition in the game. If there aren’t enough teams that can legitimately compete to hold a 24 team tournament without mockeries of the sport like a 13-0 finish (or 10-0 and 10-1 in the last WWC), that’s on FIFA. Don’t expand to 24 teams until there are.


HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Nice try.
Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

You have to go back to 1974 for a lesson on GD for me? The USWNT is the huge favorite in the entire competition. Their group is particularly weak. It consists of the top ranked side, the 10th ranked side, the 19th ranked side and the 24th ranked side. So the best team in the whole competition faced off against the weakest team in the whole competition. There's no way in hell the USWNT is going to rely upon GD to get through. That's ridiculous on its face.

But, for the sake of your argument, let's say the USWNT really, really thought they might need the GD to get through and that every other nation's side was as pathetically unsportsmanlike as they are and so they had to score ten goals in the second half because everybody else will do it and hey, we're all unsportsmanlike c*nts here.

I don't really take issue with that. What no one can defend is the manner in which they celebrated goals 9 through 13. That was horrifically unsportsmanlike. I sincerely hope that during the course of this competition the USWNT ends up with no less than ten broken legs.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Running up the score and celebrations are different issues.
They can't be (reasonably) faulted for running up the score (IMHO).

I didn't see the game or the celebrations. But if I were some 2nd or 3rd string player on the US National Team playing in the Word Cup tournament, you bet your bippy I would celebrate like mad on getting a goal - it may be the only one I'll ever get one in such a tournament.

YMMV.

(You pick the strangest things to get all high-and-mighty-vengeful about. Children are dying in cages, the EPA is being gutted, Measles is back, Ebola is back, Donnie is trying to monetize everything that isn't nailed down, but OMG! LOOK AT THE USWNT CELEBRATING!!!!1)

:-/

Cheers,
Scott.
New where are kids dying in cages?
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-immigration-migrants-surge-blythe-20190611-story.html

The little boy playing in the parking lot of a Seventh-day Adventist Church here was startled when three U.S. Customs and Border Protection vehicles pulled in.

Favio Ferreira, a 7-year-old from Guatemala, ran inside to tell the others.

“Come, come, la migra!” he said.

But the agents weren’t there to round up people who were in the country illegally. They were dropping immigrants off.
there is enough stupidity to go around, you don't need to make it up
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Shorthand.
Rolling Stone:

Hours after President Trump declared in the White House Rose Garden that he doesn’t “do coverups,” his administration revealed that it had been hiding the death of a migrant girl at the border for the past eight months. On Thursday evening, CBS News reported that a 10-year-old girl from El Salvador died last September while under the care of the government. The Department of Health and Human Services confirmed the death, which had not been previously disclosed.

HHS spokesman Mark Weber explained that the girl had a history of heart problems and was in a “medically fragile” state when she arrived at an Office of Refugee Resettlement facility last March. The girl’s name was not released, and it’s unclear why the death was not previously reported. “I have not seen any indication that the Trump administration disclosed the death of this young girl to the public or even to Congress,” Rep. Joaquín Castro (D-TX) told CBS. “And if that’s the case, they covered up her death for eight months, even though we were actively asking the question about whether any child had died or been seriously injured. We began asking that question last fall.”


NBCNews:

At least seven children are known to have died in immigration custody since last year, after almost a decade in which no child reportedly died while in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

The string of cases continue to raise questions around the conditions in which migrant children are being kept at a time when a growing number of migrants, many of them Central American parents with children, are presenting themselves at the border to seek asylum.

Aside from the fact that children may have underlying health conditions, most are reaching the United States after arduous journeys during which they have had little access to clean shelter and proper provisions. Many are leaving impoverished and drought-stricken regions.


YahooNews:

For the past year and a half, Dr. Eric Russell has been traveling from Houston to McAllen, Texas, every three months or so to volunteer at the Catholic Charities Humanitarian Respite Center, a first stop for many asylum-seeking migrants who’ve been released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection in the Rio Grande Valley.

During his most recent visit to the clinic in April, when he saw more than 150 migrants, he noted a troubling new trend: a number of people reported that their medication had been taken from them by U.S. border officials.

“I had a few adults that came who had high blood pressure, who had their blood pressure medications taken from them and, not surprisingly, their blood pressure was elevated,” Russell told Yahoo News. “There was a couple of adults that had diabetes that had their diabetes medicines taken from them, and wanted to come in because they were worried about their blood sugar. And, not surprisingly, their blood sugar was elevated.”

For Russell, a pediatric emergency medicine physician, the patient who stood out the most during that visit was a boy of 8 or 9 with a history of seizures. According to his mother, the child had been on a long-term seizure medicine in their home country, but the medication had been taken from him upon entering the Border Patrol custody in McAllen and never returned.

“The mom came to the clinic because she was concerned that he was going to have a seizure,” said Russell. He wasn’t sure exactly how long they’d been in custody — “usually it's a matter of days,” he said, “but with seizure medicines, that’s enough.”


Etc.

Cheers,
Scott.
New 'Brain bleach now available in the 50 gallon jug'. sez the qed-LRPD
New dont see any cages there, just sick kids desparate to get here
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Re: dont see any cages there, just sick kids desparate to get here
New ya might want to check snopes before you send them any money
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html
However, the picture was actually taken during a June 10 protest against White House immigration policies at Dallas City Hall, as first reported by fact-checking site Snopes.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Re: dont see any cages there, just sick kids desparate to get here
New going sideways arn't ya? from yer link
First Roxsana Hernández was beaten to death by ICE while in restraints. Now we have evidence they murdered Johana too. But keep pretending ICE aren't murderous scumbags running concentration camps. 24 people have died in their custody so far. How many more must die?
24 out of the 160k this last month alone? The feds need to get off their ass if killing migrants is their goal. Seriously nother your cites reek of infowars and briebart and russian election interference. There is a real industry in this sort of partisanship money to be made by all. They are rolling it in.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Re: going sideways arn't ya? from yer link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/trans-woman-roxsana-hernandez-ice-autopsy.html

The previous story didn't say 24 were killed in one month. Read more carefully. And stop making excuses.

Nobody in US custody should die - especially nobody seeking asylum. And those seeking asylum shouldn't be in cages or have their medication taken from them.

We're supposed to follow the law and serve as an example.

Cheers,
Scott.
New nothing indicates that ICE did the abuse in that story
24 deaths over a long period in a population of 100k+ is not a bad stat, not perfect but not bad. Your statement now is now along way from killing kids in cages, thats all I wanted to note
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New *Nobody* should die in US custody, least of all children looking for asylum.
New *Nobody* is disagreeing with that
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Oh please
That is unrealistic.

Try to apply the statistics of the general population and number of deaths versus the quantity they have in their custody. It'll be close if not matching.


So what would you have them do?
New 10 years without a death until Donnie shows up (according to an earlier reply)...
New they must have miscounted a few
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Um, what's the name of this forum? I can keep two thoughts in my head at the same time.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Yet more...
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/06/12/13-0-and-referee-thoughts/#comment-7311707

38 Captain C says:

June 13, 2019 at 2:32 am

@Felanius Kootea: It was, in 2001, when Australia whomped American Samoa in the Oceanian World Cup qualifying matches by an American football blow-out sounding score of 31-0.

It led to the Oceanian zone implementing a preliminary qualifying round, and eventually (as they wanted) Australia being switched to the Asian confederation, where it would have a chance to qualify for a spot in the finals directly, instead of always having to play a 3rd-5th place team from North or South America, or Africa, or Asia once they won their own confederation.

Striker Archie Thompson scored 13 all by himself in the match. David Zdrillic accounted for another 8, Con Boutsanis had a hat trick, there were three more braces, and eight seven players overall scored. Apparently, this game was a few days after Australia had clobbered Tonga by a then-record score of 22-0. I think they were trying to make a point


Yowza.

Cheers,
Scott.
New the mens team wish they could get a score much less run them up, your other complaint is odd
At 5-0 the manager kept substituting attacking players
when I was coaching and the score ran up I would seat the starters and put the second and third string out there. Normal coaching
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New You just said the opposite of what she did.
The KEPT putting in additional strikers to further run up the score. And did you see those celebrations? They celebrated the 13th goal like it was the first.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New So there are no second-string strikers in your world?
New How did this become about gender?
--

Drew
New Women have no mercy. See virtually any War, fer instance.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt June 12, 2019, 04:56:19 PM EDT
New By comparison with all those merciful men in war, one assumes.
In the World fuckin' Cup, you press the advantage until the 90th minute. If that means goal after goal after goal, then that's what you do.

If you really want no mercy, look at The Ashes - the biggest grudge match in sport (worked example: look up "bodyline" on Wikipedia). I would want England to beat Australia 5-0, by an innings every time. England and Australia fans aren't looking for a sportsmanlike competition; they're looking for abject humiliation of The Enemy.
New Again. No problem with the goal run-up. But the celebrations for goals 9-13 were despicable.
But you don't have to take it from me. Steve Nicol says all there is to say about it.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New If Steve Nicol is the guy on the left:
1) His entire argumentation (like yours) consists of repeated assertion. Not convincing.

2) Who the fuck is Steve Nicol, and why should anyone give a fuck about what he says? The guy on the right -- whom I don't know who the fuck he is either -- says the opposite. For all I can tell, chances are equally large he's the one who's right.

3) Yes, you're making an ass of yourself. If you want to get upset about the ladies' World Cup, get upset about something that matters. (Gimmasec...)
--

   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
New One explanation comes to mind
'Murican jelloware is infused-from-near-birth with pure-f'ing-Bizness-'ethics', which is to say, largely-Ethics-free(?) Think: universal bed-bug infestation?
Is it surprising--in any competition--that our National-mindset is counter-to any concepts of say, Class (as in 'classy'), Fairness (always a difficult concept to parse)
or ... the Unicorn-idea of simple-human-grade, once: mercy?

aka We Are (what-we-eat? but that's boring) What we umm, Act-out?
(But then I an't no Sports-ept a one and complexification is the enemy always of Virtue, I wot.)
Let's hoist a round for every Sherpa who shepherded his $$Auslander --> all-the-way.
Then (with a few exceptions like Tenzing Norgay?sp) ... got only some paternalistic nod ... subsequently.

[Methinks that Pro-sports-all have an uncomfortable parallel to Rah-Rah!-MY Religio be: Numbah 11One111ONE.]
tl;dr then, Something has gone All-Rong re the Base-bases of 'Winning'-at-all-cost, but what do I Know.



Ackshully 'at-base'/basest: Mammon is in full-$$-Charge.
New Not very different.
Brazil - Germany, 2014 didn't have all that many fewer goals; it was a crushing humiliation.

I can't seem to recall that the guys stopped celebrating their goals.

So lay off the misogynist bullcrap, wouldya? Thanks.
--

   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who (used to think he) Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
New Allow me to point out the obvious here.
First, Brazil and Germany were two top flight clubs so it was an evenly matched affair.

Second, (and more germane), take a look at the "celebrations" of the Germany-Estonia match from this year and try to convince yourself that the celebrations of goals 6, 7 and 8 in that match were anywhere near the over-the-top celebrations by the USWNT.

BTW, "something that matters"? Football is life. The rest is details. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New "Clubs"? Ya better stick to normal life... Out here in the Old World, we call those "nations".
New I should have said "teams". I forgot your nit-pickiness. My point stands, however.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
     Women's sports are different. - (mmoffitt) - (33)
         Goals are used in the rankings. There was nothing wrong with them running up the score. - (Another Scott) - (19)
             Nice try. - (mmoffitt) - (17)
                 Running up the score and celebrations are different issues. - (Another Scott) - (16)
                     where are kids dying in cages? - (boxley) - (14)
                         Shorthand. - (Another Scott) - (13)
                             'Brain bleach now available in the 50 gallon jug'. sez the qed-LRPD -NT - (Ashton)
                             dont see any cages there, just sick kids desparate to get here -NT - (boxley) - (11)
                                 Re: dont see any cages there, just sick kids desparate to get here - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                     ya might want to check snopes before you send them any money - (boxley)
                                     Re: dont see any cages there, just sick kids desparate to get here - (Another Scott) - (8)
                                         going sideways arn't ya? from yer link - (boxley) - (7)
                                             Re: going sideways arn't ya? from yer link - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                                 nothing indicates that ICE did the abuse in that story - (boxley) - (5)
                                                     *Nobody* should die in US custody, least of all children looking for asylum. -NT - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                         *Nobody* is disagreeing with that -NT - (boxley)
                                                         Oh please - (crazy) - (2)
                                                             10 years without a death until Donnie shows up (according to an earlier reply)... -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                 they must have miscounted a few - (boxley)
                     Um, what's the name of this forum? I can keep two thoughts in my head at the same time. -NT - (mmoffitt)
             Yet more... - (Another Scott)
         the mens team wish they could get a score much less run them up, your other complaint is odd - (boxley) - (2)
             You just said the opposite of what she did. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                 So there are no second-string strikers in your world? -NT - (CRConrad)
         How did this become about gender? -NT - (drook) - (4)
             Women have no mercy. See virtually any War, fer instance. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 By comparison with all those merciful men in war, one assumes. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                     Again. No problem with the goal run-up. But the celebrations for goals 9-13 were despicable. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         If Steve Nicol is the guy on the left: - (CRConrad)
         One explanation comes to mind - (Ashton)
         Not very different. - (CRConrad) - (3)
             Allow me to point out the obvious here. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 "Clubs"? Ya better stick to normal life... Out here in the Old World, we call those "nations". -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                     I should have said "teams". I forgot your nit-pickiness. My point stands, however. -NT - (mmoffitt)

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