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Post #428,007 by malraux 3/20/19 4:40:08 PM 3/20/19 4:40:08 PM Reply	? 1) Root cause is different than responsibility by fiat. 2) Next time I get an MRI I'll wiggle a toe for you. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #428,020 by mmoffitt 3/21/19 3:43:17 PM 3/21/19 3:43:17 PM Reply	Did I even mention "root cause"? No. I did not. What I did say: Again, I'm not apologizing for Boeing. This was obviously a piss poor system design. But, and this is a crucial but, the system itself was not responsible for these aircraft incidents. If I had to identify a "root cause" I would say the obvious, "The root cause of the accident was over reliance upon tech and under reliance upon piloting skills." bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,021 by boxley 3/21/19 3:49:26 PM 3/21/19 3:49:26 PM Reply	so how do you feel about self driving tractor trailers? :-) "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #428,027 by mmoffitt 3/21/19 4:55:23 PM 3/21/19 4:55:23 PM Reply	Have those all you want. After I'm dead. ;0) bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #428,030 by malraux 3/21/19 5:29:46 PM 3/21/19 5:29:46 PM Reply	Then be more clear with what you're saying. Because that's how that reads when you're talking to people who aren't pilots and don't live the FARs. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.

IT.-related [Boeing]: re s/ware bug + bad pointer veils actual cause + Addendum "How To Run 2.5 yrs: - (Ashton) - (43) - March 17, 2019, 10:40:42 PM EDT

Unrolled Trevor Sumner thread. - (Another Scott) - (6) - March 17, 2019, 05:27:46 PM EDT

Just now, too: AXIOS gives a 'cubic-closest-packing'/incisive Summary of the 'issues' (an hour ago) - (Ashton) - (3) - March 17, 2019, 06:16:41 PM EDT

Won't matter - (drook) - March 17, 2019, 09:23:47 PM EDT

not really drumpf's fault he was not president in 2011 - (boxley) - March 17, 2019, 09:35:33 PM EDT

Regulation is only part of the FAA's mandate. - (mmoffitt) - March 18, 2019, 08:27:35 AM EDT

Re: On LionAir, pilots were never even told about the MCAS - (mmoffitt) - (1) - March 18, 2019, 08:48:36 AM EDT

You posted a pic of that module.. which prompted moi to stare at it for some. time. - (Ashton) - March 18, 2019, 07:10:01 PM EDT

NewYorker article gets it right re. techno and the legal investigation(s) in transit - (Ashton) - (1) - March 19, 2019, 04:19:45 PM EDT

But "Bidness is SO much better at *EVERYTHING* than Government Bureacrats", no? -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 20, 2019, 09:53:27 AM EDT

They fought MCAS "more than two dozen times" and it never occurred to them to turn it off? - (mmoffitt) - (27) - March 20, 2019, 10:21:13 AM EDT

I don't follow that conclusion. - (malraux) - (26) - March 20, 2019, 12:12:54 PM EDT

Read the FARs. - (mmoffitt) - (24) - March 20, 2019, 02:32:53 PM EDT

Every plane ever made is 100% tech -NT - (drook) - (3) - March 20, 2019, 03:59:28 PM EDT

Also: vaccines for preventable childhood diseases that are otherwise miserably fatal - (pwhysall) - March 21, 2019, 03:10:24 AM EDT

Should have been more clear: Information Technology (i.e. computers and software) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - March 21, 2019, 03:32:38 PM EDT

Which are used to design all of these wonders of the modern age. -NT - (malraux) - March 21, 2019, 05:30:44 PM EDT

Meh. - (Another Scott) - (14) - March 20, 2019, 04:33:01 PM EDT

"Airline mechanics tried four times since Oct. 26" says it all: how Know they had Fixed it, then? - (Ashton) - March 20, 2019, 06:42:44 PM EDT

It is definitely not a "cop out". Them's the rules and every pilot knows it. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (12) - March 22, 2019, 08:44:53 AM EDT

Somehow I don't think that the pilots are going to get the lion's share of the blame in these cases. -NT - (Another Scott) - (11) - March 22, 2019, 10:38:15 AM EDT

heh. You don't know the FAA. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (10) - March 22, 2019, 01:10:18 PM EDT

Reuters today. - (Another Scott) - (9) - March 22, 2019, 04:38:41 PM EDT

I'll make you a bet. - (mmoffitt) - (8) - March 25, 2019, 11:01:59 AM EDT

Naah. We'll see. -NT - (Another Scott) - March 25, 2019, 10:51:04 AM EDT

..think that: *THIS* time, there's been far too much Ink properly flung - (Ashton) - (4) - March 25, 2019, 05:21:56 PM EDT

The FAA's mission is schizophrenic. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - March 26, 2019, 09:47:46 AM EDT

So promotion is the goal, safety is a tactic -NT - (drook) - (2) - March 26, 2019, 12:40:56 PM EDT

Yes, of course, Polly. -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 26, 2019, 02:14:38 PM EDT

..as Murican as cyanide-laced *Apple Pie, innit? - (Ashton) - March 26, 2019, 02:34:14 PM EDT

More from Reuters. - (Another Scott) - (1) - March 29, 2019, 11:19:04 AM EDT

Um, yeah, it kinda was. - (mmoffitt) - March 29, 2019, 11:34:37 AM EDT

? - (malraux) - (4) - March 20, 2019, 04:40:08 PM EDT

Did I even mention "root cause"? No. I did not. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - March 21, 2019, 03:43:17 PM EDT

so how do you feel about self driving tractor trailers? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1) - March 21, 2019, 03:49:26 PM EDT

Have those all you want. After I'm dead. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - March 21, 2019, 04:55:23 PM EDT

Then be more clear with what you're saying. - (malraux) - March 21, 2019, 05:29:46 PM EDT

This logic is impeccable. Or I ain't got no cuth at all. Thanks for Beautiful concision! - (Ashton) - March 20, 2019, 06:02:04 PM EDT

More more from Reuters - (Another Scott) - (5) - April 3, 2019, 10:17:36 AM EDT

If this turns out to be true... - (mmoffitt) - (4) - April 3, 2019, 12:21:11 PM EDT

Boeing has taken responsibility for both crashes now - (malraux) - (3) - April 5, 2019, 04:23:31 PM EDT

BS - (crazy) - (2) - April 6, 2019, 08:32:45 AM EDT

That's the part I don't get - (drook) - April 6, 2019, 08:37:13 AM EDT

Yeah... - (Another Scott) - April 6, 2019, 03:45:15 PM EDT

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