FWIW this election is not going to be about the details.

Post #427,575 by malraux 2/19/19 6:04:50 PM 2/19/19 6:04:50 PM Reply	FWIW this election is not going to be about the details. Unless it's about details that are made up by Drumpf. Any kind of policy discussion is going to involve him inventing shit whole cloth as his whims dictate. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #427,576 by Another Scott 2/19/19 6:35:07 PM 2/19/19 6:35:07 PM Reply	True, but I thought we were talking (mostly) about the primaries. Bernie can't save us if he can't win the primaries!! ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #427,581 by pwhysall 2/20/19 7:43:29 AM 2/20/19 7:43:29 AM Reply	I don't think he'll win the primary The problem with Bernie is that he loses, and then is a very shit loser. If he contests and loses again, as is most likely, then he needs to act like a fucking adult and throw the full force of his political clout and influence behind whoever gets the nomination, without equivocation or qualification. His participation in the primary could be a valuable influence, ensuring that the Democratic Party isn't just an echo chamber, and putting some varied policy items into the debate. But if he loses? Time to nut up and get in line. Or he could be a massive whiny arsehole with massive whiny arsehole followers, and y'all can have another four years of Cadet Bone Spurs.
Post #427,585 by mmoffitt 2/20/19 9:22:50 AM 2/20/19 9:22:50 AM Reply	What are you on about? One of the many things that makes Donald Trump angry is that Bernie Sanders does not seem to hold grudges. In recent speeches, Trump has pointed to the information that has come out, through WikiLeaks’ disclosures of John Podesta’s e-mails, about the Clinton team’s attitude toward Sanders during the primaries: the slights (“doofus”), the schemes (“where would you stick the knife?”), and the eye-rolling (“socialist math”). Perhaps worst of all—at least from Trump’s point of view—was Donna Brazile’s passing along of debate questions. "Now, Bernie Sanders should be angry right? Shouldn’t he be angry?” Trump asked a crowd in Florida. He sounded a little bit puzzled—he would be so mad. The truth is that Bernie Sanders is very, very angry—at Donald Trump. He is angry enough to have spent weeks travelling on behalf of Hillary Clinton, speaking for her in union halls and arenas, to students and activists. When he talks, he is entirely Bernie—“We are going to fight for that democracy; we are not going to become an oligarchy”—and he hints strongly that he has done some negotiating with her before getting on the stage, and will continue to do so after, as he hopes, she is elected. When praising her positions, he often says “Secretary Clinton has told me” or “Secretary Clinton has promised,” as though he knows that it might not work, with the sort of swing audiences he is dispatched to persuade (students, working-class voters), simply to declare that taking these stands is in her nature. But he knows what he wants: for her to win. “This campaign is not a personality contest,” Sanders said near the beginning of a speech in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Thursday night. “We’re not voting for high-school president. We’re voting for the most powerful leader in the entire world.” He had been introduced by Pharrell Williams, the musician, who was now sitting on the stage with Clinton herself, as if it were an actual high-school election. Statements like that serve to remind Sanders’s supporters that they don’t need to be charmed by Hillary Clinton—he is over it, and they ought to be, too. But, if personality doesn’t matter, the person does. https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/bernie-sanderss-hard-fight-for-hillary-clinton Maybe don't just believe whatever Scott says about Bernie all the time. ;0) bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #427,588 by pwhysall 2/20/19 9:39:30 AM 2/20/19 9:39:30 AM Reply	That's like reading about how Corbyn campaigned for "Remain" in the Brexit referendum Technically correct.
Post #427,596 by drook 2/20/19 11:31:01 AM 2/20/19 11:31:01 AM Reply	The second-best kind of correct I used to think it was the most-best kind, until I realized "He's not wrong" is more best. -- Drew
Post #427,666 by Ashton 2/22/19 3:57:51 PM 2/22/19 3:57:51 PM Reply	Well.. there's this re The Source, all along of the New(est) Demo Slate: CNN mini-flic. I mean, whatever Bernie's 'losses'-to-date, His Was the kernel-platform which has become: today's Big Slate driving inevitably-warring ∑-candidates. Whether or not his personal charisma/or not amidst the vox populi: his apparent prescience (not only re What-actually-Matters to many of those) but his (thus) 'masterful framing' of the listicle: COUNTS in much jelloware {I wot..} Carrion; someties it gets into the neurons ..as it makes your fact orange.
Post #427,671 by Another Scott 2/22/19 5:48:12 PM 2/22/19 5:48:12 PM Reply	Aspirations are wonderful, and important. Twitter: Taniel Verified account @Taniel More Taniel Retweeted Gideon Resnick so, to be clear, Sanders wants to tackle Medicare-for-All and climate change in his first 100 days but is also hesitant to touch the filibuster? as I said when Gillibrand & Booker made similar comments, it matters whether substantive parts of platform match the procedural ones. Taniel added, Gideon Resnick Verified account @GideonResnick "I don't see it as one piece of legislation," @BernieSanders tells @chrislhayes when asked what his first legislative priority would be. Says it'll be about minimum wage, M4A, climate change in the first 100 days 7:05 PM - 21 Feb 2019 Bernie doesn't know how to actually make it happen, and he doesn't care that he doesn't know. Cheers, Scott.
Post #427,677 by Ashton 2/22/19 11:34:35 PM 2/22/19 11:34:35 PM Reply	History Prof offers some +/-'s re Bernie-chances "What 2020 Dems can't afford to ignore about Bernie". Of course so much can go Rong in the proximate-next ... no one's guesstimate is worth a PhD at Trump U. Hey! a slow-drip of ketamine could let us sleep through.. ... Nah, we're all suckers for watching train-wrecks; why not planet-wrecks too?

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