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New Here's the thing about evil
Before I start, I should mention that I'm trying really hard not to go for the "lawful evil vs. chaotic neutral" framing that keeps trying to force its way into my head.

I think Pence would be much more effective at implementing (most of) what Trump claims to support, especially the glaring dog whistle: Make America Great White Again. And for most of the country that would be an improvement. (Stand by for caveats before blowing a seal.)

Pence sees himself as a decent man, who wants the best for other decent men. He just doesn't consider non-whites to be real men, so they don't count. And of course women aren't men, and neither are gays or trannnies. (I wonder what he calls them?)

Suppose that view of him is accurate, what would it mean?

Domestically he would favor policies that advantage white males over minorities and women. But as I said in my last post, with a Democratic House he would be limited to EOs and judicial appointments.

Internationally he would favor policies that favor the U.S. against other countries. Which he should do, to an extent. And he wouldn't antagonize our allies and embarrass his own State Department, which has to be an improvement. He is hawkish on international relations, but not in any extravagant ways that I've seen.

In short, he is focused evil. The things about him that are most troubling are domestic issues that he wouldn't have much direct control of. He'd be a nightmare if he had a Republican Congress, but now? It would be a bad couple of years, but reversible.
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Drew
New Don't forget the cabinet.
We are seeing right now what kind of damage even ass clowns can do. Effective administrators with that backing would be much worse.

This is why I waffle on booting Trump. He's a nightmare and no mistake, but he's so incompetent that a lot of the nightmare is just bluster. Pence would be capable of implementing things professionally (and quietly!) that Trump simply can't manage to do because he's such a fail whale when it comes to how government works.

On the other hand, Pence would hopefully get the Republicans back towards more rule of law than blindly supporting an autocrat like they do now.

On the gripping hand, a "successful" President Pence would be harder to beat in 2020 with what looks to be a weak Democratic field, with a lot of people so relieved that Trump was gone that they'd go back to voting their inertia instead of voting like they did in the midterms.
Regards,
-scott
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New That could shoot them in the foot
From what I can see the issue he cares most about is abortion. If a President Pence gets traction on rolling that back I expect a pink wave in 2020.
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Drew
New Never underestimate the Democratic Party's ability to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.
They've been doing that since (at least) 1980.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Pence is a known quantity.
A professional political commentator quietly admitted to me a few years ago that the world knows how to work with a man like Pence as president. Trump has had to be talked down off the ledge of war at least once, possibly more, for instance.

Wade.
     Are the Rats Preparing to Jump Off the Trump Ship? - (Ashton) - (18)
         He's too smart to ruin his future so early in life. - (a6l6e6x)
         Pence is no prize. And might, $DEITY help us, actually be worse. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (16)
             Yes, but ... - (drook) - (15)
                 Pence is evil.... - (pwhysall) - (14)
                     Here's the thing about evil - (drook) - (4)
                         Don't forget the cabinet. - (malraux) - (2)
                             That could shoot them in the foot - (drook)
                             Never underestimate the Democratic Party's ability to clutch defeat from the jaws of victory. - (mmoffitt)
                         Pence is a known quantity. - (static)
                     Certainly. But that's not the real problem, is it? - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                         Dangerous thinking - (drook) - (6)
                             I've been saying since I was 26 years old (that's 33 years now)... - (mmoffitt)
                             This is part about what troubles me… - (rcareaga) - (4)
                                 back in the old days when owning a printing press was considered a dangerous profession - (boxley)
                                 That's dangerous thinking. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                     Or it might be simply that, the %uninformed.. on down to %pig-ignorant of The Consumers - (Ashton)
                                     Re: That's dangerous thinking. - (rcareaga)
                         George Carlin said it best - (lincoln)

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