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New Who is this "they" you keep referencing?
And when did "they" call the Reps "heartless evil souls who care for noone"? And what the hell does this have to do with the merits (or lack thereof) of Bush's faith based initiative?

C'mon Beep, you're usually much better than this when knocking down straw men. Don't stoop to using them yourself.
"When it crosses my mind to do something, I don't ask why, I ask why not. And usually there's no reason not to, so I just go ahead. It's given me the strangest collection of hats"
New Ah...the innocent...
Well, lets see...we started with [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=4172|this comment]. And how would that general impression make its way to the UK. Possibly press coverage in both paper and online format...in places so oft cited here like [link|http://www.salon.com|Salon].

Campaign trail speeches...like Gore telling everyone that the Repo plan would keep the system charging more money to old people when he can get drugs for his dog cheaper.

Nah, it can't be possible that there would be an organization hell bent on opposition by misinformation and scare tactics.
Um...er...well...

I have no choice!

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
Expand Edited by bepatient Aug. 8, 2001, 04:49:27 PM EDT
New Point taken
and conceded. It seems to happen often around here. The arguing from different sides that ends up drifting to the point that the protaganists (and I include myself) are now not only arguing different sides, they are arguing different points as well.

A meeting of the minds (to paraphrase M. Ghandi) would be a good idea.
"When it crosses my mind to do something, I don't ask why, I ask why not. And usually there's no reason not to, so I just go ahead. It's given me the strangest collection of hats"
New bada bing!
I try and dont often succeed to think independantly but am hampered by the two sides democans and republicat who in twists best left on the fencing court swing around and around in a quest for talking points.
thanx,
bill
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