The Sheeple of the UK got manipulated by Russian disinformation...

Post #426,448 by a6l6e6x 11/26/18 11:39:28 PM 11/26/18 11:39:28 PM Reply	The Sheeple of the UK got manipulated by Russian disinformation... just as the US Sheeple got manipulated to elect tRump. The problem is that we (as well as the UK) have too many sheeple that are incapable of critical thinking and are left to make decisions based on emotions alone. Education could change this, but politicians and big business like things the way they are. Sports, entertainment, and alcohol is all it takes to keep the sheeple minds occupied and lives satisfied. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #426,449 by mmoffitt 11/27/18 8:35:33 AM 11/27/18 8:35:33 AM Reply	I've no doubt Russian money played a role there, as here. And your point about education is spot on. I'm beginning to believe we named the victors of the Cold War prematurely. Particularly when ~~Soviet~~ Russian vessels attack Ukrainian vessels and our President does not condemn them. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #426,450 by Another Scott 11/27/18 9:50:51 AM 11/27/18 9:50:51 AM Reply	Indeed. Cameron caved to the mouth-breathers in his party in having the stupid referendum, and set it up stupidly (moving the UK out should have required substantial majorities in each of the "countries" (England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland), not just an overall majority, not just 50% + 1, if the stupid thing were to be held at all). Plus, having a referendum on such a complex international agreement is stupid to begin with. It wasn't buying a pig in a poke (with all kinds of disinformation from Russian agents and the like), it was buying Pandora's Box. There is no way that voters could make an informed decision about what the changes would entail. Elected representatives have the responsibility to make such decisions and the ability to shape the laws and agreements necessary based on hearings and testimony and evidence and all the rest. Voters simply can't do that in an informed way, and they shouldn't be asked to do so. It was a disaster from the day that Cameron decided to put it to a vote. And it remains so. The Parliament should trash May's plan, trash the idea of leaving the EU, and just forget it ever happened. (Being Sovereign, Parliament can do that.) It's the clear, sensible, and obvious solution. But the party leaders are (apparently) too weak to do so. (sigh) It's not a failure of Democracy. It's a failure of weak leaders. Cheers, Scott.
Post #426,451 by mmoffitt 11/27/18 12:19:32 PM 11/27/18 12:19:32 PM Reply	Parliament had a chance to nip it in the bud, and passed. The cu-ts. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #426,457 by Ashton 11/27/18 9:01:01 PM 11/27/18 9:01:01 PM Reply	..maybe deeper in the psyche than mere Russky contrivances lies the koan; most people live lives of quiet desperation. (Believe this was first uttered by Thurber, prolly with an accompanying sketch ..maybe even in the '30s (too lazy to search/weed out the pretenders etc.)) Back then they weren't despondent over such matters as Suicide-via-climate ignorance.. yet Mr. Thurber opined what he said; it's gotta be Worse now is all I wot. :-/
Post #426,459 by rcareaga 11/27/18 9:07:28 PM 11/27/18 9:07:28 PM Reply	Thoreau rather than Thurber I’d observe in passing that there’s something to be said for living lives in quiet desperation as opposed to noisy desperation. desperately,
Post #426,461 by Ashton 11/27/18 10:06:47 PM 11/27/18 10:06:47 PM Reply	Agreed, in restaurants and in third-guessing (as that second-guess looks none too rosy) by all means let's have quiet ... weltschmerz! resignedly /while silently protesting ..they Should have to put up with my pissing & moaning! Because.

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