He wants to exclude *the people* from those countries. That's the issue, of course.

Post #422,159 by Another Scott 1/11/18 11:23:50 PM 1/11/18 11:23:50 PM Reply	He wants to exclude the people from those countries. That's the issue, of course. The USSR was a pretty nasty place ("Hi MM!"), but we didn't have any problems at all accepting immigrants from there. We accept people from nasty places all the time. Donnie has made it clear to the MSM, and those who were trying to not pay attention, that he's a racist and they cannot avoid the subject by claiming it's just "economic anxiety" any more. Cheers, Scott.
Post #422,161 by boxley 1/11/18 11:35:15 PM 1/11/18 11:35:15 PM Reply	yay! you hit the point right on the head As a democrat we can only accept immigrants from shitholes no regular countries need apply "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #422,165 by drook 1/12/18 12:29:50 AM 1/12/18 12:29:50 AM Reply	"Anything not required is prohibited, and vice versa." -- Drew
Post #422,218 by CRConrad 1/15/18 9:07:08 AM 1/15/18 9:07:08 AM Reply	BOx: Do you honestly think you're being intellectually honest in your discussions here? Trump goes, "Why are we accepting people from these shithole countries", when the whole premise of "give me your huddled masses [of BOxleys]" is that the more of a "shithole" country people are runing from, the more they deserve a refuge -- and you pretend not to see what the discussion is about. In fact, can you point to ANY serious discussion here in the last few years where you HAVEN'T pulled -- or at the very least, tried to pull -- that trick? Newsflash, sunshine: It's an arsehole trick. And you keep pulling it all the time. So what does that make you? And THAT, in case anyone is still wondering, is why I need a break of a year or five from this place every now and again. If I have to be the only one calling him out on it, AGAIBN, I'm likely to tire sooner rather than later. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #422,220 by boxley 1/15/18 12:13:32 PM 1/15/18 12:13:32 PM Reply	you are confused I can certainly see what trump is saying. Just pointing out that the cynical "OMG he said shithole country" when the countries named are indeed just that. The press is "breathlessly" reporting nonsense from a private meeting yet I do not recall them ever so excited when previous presidents and leader talked trash in private meetings in the past. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #422,221 by Another Scott 1/15/18 12:31:07 PM 1/15/18 12:31:07 PM Reply	Context matters, and you know that. The discussion was about how to create and pass a DACA bill in the next few days. It wasn't them sitting around telling "3 guys walk into a bar" jokes, or something. Just because the reporting has concentrated on "OMG, Donnie said a bad word!!11" doesn't mean that you need to play dumb about what's really going on in these discussions. Especially when you're someone who has posted quite eloquently about toxic racism that your family and friends have been subjected to... My $0.02. Cheers, Scott.
Post #422,223 by boxley 1/15/18 3:00:24 PM 1/15/18 3:00:24 PM Reply	Context matters, yes it does, What does DACA have to do with haitian earthquake refugees? a lot, he wanted to overhaul the lottery system and economic migration. Others in the room wanted to expand the lottery. Not just a DACA bill at all. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #422,236 by Another Scott 1/15/18 5:23:56 PM 1/15/18 5:23:56 PM Reply	The time constraint is a result of him trying to break DACA. The other stuff is his attempt to restrict immigration by people he doesn't like in exchange for restoring DACA before the deadline. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #422,222 by malraux 1/15/18 2:00:29 PM 1/15/18 2:00:29 PM Reply	Top story on CNN right now: http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-shithole-analysis/index.html - "Why focusing on 'shithole' totally misses the point" Trump supporters have been focusing on the word choice. The rest of the world is looking at what the intent behind it was. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #422,224 by boxley 1/15/18 3:04:15 PM 1/15/18 3:04:15 PM Reply	maybe more important is reports that he said it deliberately to inflame his base knowing that Durban couldnt wait to get to a reporter. Funny how the news cycle a few days ago was inaugurating Opera like they didnt need to wait for an election. Now its shithole 24x7 and Oprah who? manipulator in chief "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #422,232 by drook 1/15/18 4:35:18 PM 1/15/18 4:35:18 PM Reply	Is that what you were doing? -- Drew
Post #422,244 by CRConrad 1/16/18 4:11:35 AM 1/16/18 4:11:35 AM Reply	Way to avoid the point. No, it wasn't a "private meeting". It was elected officials on the clock, doing their jobs. And no, it wasn't about whsat he called the countries per se, it was about him applying the shitholeness of the countries to immigrants therefrom. But you know all this, since it has been pointed out to you several times. More importantly, my point here was neither of those, but precisely this habit of yours, to pretend to being an utter moron whenever you're called out on something. Thank you for illustrating that point so convincingly by DOING IT YET AGAIN. So, I'll put you down for "Nope, it's not inadvertent, I REVEL in being an arsehole". (Thereby proving, by your Trumpian logic, England to be the greatest shithole of them all. Congrats, Peter!) To the rest of you (i.e. mainly Malraux, Mike V, whoever passes for an Admin around here nowadays): Wow, it's been great. I'll pop in again in another three years or five, see if this problem has finally fixed itself, or the site has died from attrition (caused at least in part by this arsehole), whichever comes first. Or mail me an all-clear, once you've realised this shitholery is every bit as bad as Norm, and have taken active steps to fix it. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #422,170 by mmoffitt 1/12/18 8:15:17 AM 1/12/18 8:15:17 AM Reply	We DAMNED WELL SHOULD HAVE been more scrupulous admitting Soviets. Like, for instance, we should have declared war to keep this bitch out of our country. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #422,181 by Ashton 1/12/18 6:49:35 PM 1/12/18 6:49:35 PM Reply	Yes, it's a puzzlement (inside an indictment/per fan.)

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