Post #421,940
12/28/17 3:52:30 PM
12/28/17 3:52:30 PM
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I go for the clock maker god
Something initiated the big bang. Beyond that, it's like a kid with an ant farms. Or billions of ant farms. Does that kid really care about each ant?
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Post #421,944
12/28/17 5:21:07 PM
12/28/17 5:21:07 PM
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I like "In the beginning there was nothing - and then it exploded."
;-) Space.com: [...]
At the "peach epoch," the universe was only a tiny fraction of a second old. In fact, it was even tinier than a tiny fraction — 10^-36 seconds old, or thereabouts. From there on out, we have a roughly decent picture of how the universe works. Some questions are still open, of course, but in general, we have at least a vague understanding.
The further along in age the universe gets, the more clear our picture becomes, but it's almost frightening to consider that our poor monkey brains are even contemplating such early epochs in the universe.
At even earlier times, though, our understanding of the universe gets … fuzzy. The forces, energies, densities and temperatures become too high, and the knowledge of physics we've cobbled together over the centuries just isn't up to the task. In the extremely early universe gravity starts to get very important at small scales, and this is the realm of quantum gravity, the yet-to-be-solved grand riddle of modern physics. We just flat-out don't have an understanding of strong gravity at small scales.
We. Just. Don't.
Earlier than 10^-36 seconds, we simply don't understand the nature of the universe. The Big Bang theory is fantastic at describing everything after that, but before it, we're a bit lost. Get this: At small enough scales, we don't even know if the word "before" even makes sense! At incredibly tiny scales (and I'm talking tinier than the tiniest thing you could possible imagine), the quantum nature of reality rears its ugly head at full strength, rendering our neat, orderly, friendly spacetime into a broken jungle gym of loops and tangles and rusty spikes. Notions of intervals in time or space don't really apply at those scales. Who knows what's going on?
There are, of course, some ideas out there — models that attempt to describe what "ignited" or "seeded" the Big Bang, but at this stage, they're pure speculation. If these ideas can provide observational clues — for example, a special imprint on the CMB, then hooray — we can do science!
If not, they're just bedtime stories. The bolded bit is my addition. But I think it's the crux of it. Given enough time, small enough length scales, etc., etc., it's easy for me to see the universe appearing. Especially when there's no such thing as empty space. But don't ask me to prove it! ;-) Cheers, Scott.
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Post #421,950
12/28/17 7:26:40 PM
12/28/17 7:26:40 PM
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From long before the Big Bang theory . . .
. . in Western metaphysics it was thus. In the beginning there was Nothing. Nothing is the negation of equal positives and negatives. Thus Nothing is identical to Everything. To know itself, Nothing burst into a fine haze of positives and negatives. These have since been recombining in an infinite number of ways.
The earliest books I have expounding this theory are from the late 19th Century, but they imply there are much earlier examples.
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Post #421,951
12/28/17 9:06:32 PM
12/28/17 9:06:32 PM
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Neat.
Yeah, the idea is very old - especially in the East. Yin/Yang Everything/Nothing etc. And in some pop songs, also too. The Who - Let's See Action: Let's see action, let's see people, Let's see freedom, let's see who cares, Take me with you when you leave me And my shell behind us there.
I have learned it, known who burned me, Avatar has warmed my feet, Take me with you, let me see you, Time and life can meet.
Nothing is everything, everything is, nothing is, Please the people, audiences, Break the fences, Nothing is.
Let's see action, let's see people, Let's see freedom up in the air, Let's see action, let's see people, Let's be free, let's see who cares. Let's see action, let's see people, Let's see freedom up in the air, Let's see action, let's see people, Let's be free, let's see who cares.
Give me a drink boy, wash my feet, I'm so tired of running from my own heat, Take this package and here's what you do, Gonna get this information through.
I don't know where I'm going, I don't know what I need, But I'll get to where I'm gonna end up, And that's alright by me.
Let's see action, let's see people, Let's see freedom up the air, Let's see action, let's see people, Let's be free, let's see who cares. Let's see action, let's see people, Let's see freedom in the air, Let's see action, let's see people, Let's be free, let's see who cares. Nothing is everything, everything is nothing. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #421,954
12/29/17 12:49:43 AM
12/29/17 12:49:43 AM
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Esoteric folk have expressed ~~ ideas as..
(The World, the maya, ... whatever) represents The *Absolute's Desire to Know Itself," by inventing the "World of Dualities", +'s -'s Yes/no ..and all the rest which come easily to 'mind'.
[* The Absolute] is without attributes (one could easily add.. "Duh" given that so few have glimpsed even, enough of [Reality] to conjure up some comparison.) "God Hates ___" must be among the easiest of litmus tests that one is listening to a malevolent idiot, but there are myriad examples. "God is Love" seems to get much more respect as, at very least ... there's much to be said (and so much of poetry describing) -- er, intimations of that 'immortality'.
(I return to [square One] disabuse oneself of any serious use of the word Certainty ;^> Maybe carrion reminds us of that, as regards our 'futures'(s) ... just a w.a.g.)
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Post #421,945
12/28/17 5:23:38 PM
12/28/17 5:23:38 PM
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just prior to the big bang, someone flushed the uber privvy
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
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Post #421,949
12/28/17 7:24:55 PM
12/28/17 7:24:55 PM
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Ubers have privvies?
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