There, FTFY.
"New"? Nothing there.
There, FTFY. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.) |
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Nice that your personal proof-of-a-Negative works for you,
as you move on from agnosticism to --> Certainty. er, *cough*. But. As the topic is one which just never shall evanesce into non-utterance.. I decided to tune in. Thus far he is not guilty of didactic utterances, nor either satisfied with the pablum of cliche. Mentioning the male proclivity for Violence on n+13 levels and the ongoing warfare models adopted, as successions of homo-sap try to sew up the loose-ends of all the My 'One God' is Better than your poly- or -mono (etc. etc.) may prove illuminating or ..just repetitive ... (as is every justification for umm mindless destruction -vs- senseless violence, possibly the very First utterances? of cha. cha. cha. ... I wot.) May add to this/or not, depending on the clement virtuosity ahead. Or not. .oO0Oo. OK, as he segued into a previous essay on The Drumpf--which had cost him a promising ^trajectory^ in the field of being known for Being Known--his sense of humor shone like a beam from the left-eye of some heathen Idol ... nor were his comments on the necessity of ridding ourselves of the D-pestilence even a digression, considering the latitude of his comments all along. Time listening was well spent. Will probably (watch, this time) again, to see what I missed in some augenblick. YMMV. |
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Yup, good enough for me.
You wanna waste the rest of your life (too) looking for something that isn't there, youre welcome; that's your problem. I have other stuff to do. I'm sure if some deity shows up in the actual flesh, or is otherwise proven to exist, I'll hear about it. So, yeah, why shouldn't I be "certain"? Seriously; please respond if you have a sensible reason why I shouldn't. 'Cause otherwise, you know, it just occurs to me that "Pascal's Wager" actually might make sense after all... In reverse, as outlined above. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.) |
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Nahh, we define Certainty differently
however, my BS-detector has been honed to |
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Here's the deal
If there's a god, there's no evidence of it having any impact on life, the universe, or anything. So therefore, if there's a god, said god doesn't give a tuppenny fuck about us. Therefore, even if there is a god, it doesn't matter. Further, if there is a god, then, by definition, it's so big and massive and cosmic (it's god! it made/is part of the whole actual universe!) we have as much chance of understanding the merest scintilla of its existence as an ant does of getting a handle on the inner workings of elliptic curve cryptography. Corollary: everything ever written or even thought about god (by humans) is probably not even wrong. |
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Well, that's beyond no-brainer Boolean logic anyway..
and not distinctly different from that de moi. I do go with the Huge-end; (It's All God +/-) quite beyond human propensity for inventing gods who {shudder} look just like ... wait for it ... er, forever. As to our chances, (any occasional One of 'us:/NEVER "all of us" IME) ... glimpsing enough of [Reality] to reach further (also farther) ... ?? I no words. But at least, I Know that I know shit as regards grokking to fullness, but as in the furrin phrase "Niti Niti" meaning [not This.. not That:] I aver that there is utility in assembling all the stuff that Isn't' umm [Real], lest it clog up the neurons with Fake mind-fluff. (And that's almost always from Ego.) Carrion Its epitome is: ~~ getting all the above rilly-Rong |
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That's why we Pagans don't bother with God at all.
We have plenty of much more accessible gods and goddesses. We are pretty open that they were all assembled by humans as needed, but they are assembled from real natural and social forces, so they are not without power. The more people who agree on the name (or names) and the suit of characteristics, the more powerful the entity. They can be quite useful as a shorthand for dealing with complex concepts. Note how powerful the ancient gods and goddesses of Greece and Rome have remained in art and literature. The Christian Church attempted to replace them with saints expressing similar characteristics, with some success. On the other hand, whether a god or goddess should be worshiped, that is an entirely personal matter. Worship can be useful to some people in helping them keep their lives in order. Others of us find it more satisfying to celebrate them rather than worship them. |
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I go for the clock maker god
Something initiated the big bang. Beyond that, it's like a kid with an ant farms. Or billions of ant farms. Does that kid really care about each ant? |
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I like "In the beginning there was nothing - and then it exploded."
;-) Space.com: [...] The bolded bit is my addition. But I think it's the crux of it. Given enough time, small enough length scales, etc., etc., it's easy for me to see the universe appearing. Especially when there's no such thing as empty space. But don't ask me to prove it! ;-) Cheers, Scott. |
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From long before the Big Bang theory . . .
. . in Western metaphysics it was thus. In the beginning there was Nothing. The earliest books I have expounding this theory are from the late 19th Century, but they imply there are much earlier examples. |
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Neat.
Yeah, the idea is very old - especially in the East. Yin/Yang Everything/Nothing etc. And in some pop songs, also too. The Who - Let's See Action: Let's see action, let's see people, Cheers, Scott. |
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Esoteric folk have expressed ~~ ideas as..
(The World, the maya, ... whatever) represents The *Absolute's Desire to Know Itself," by inventing the "World of Dualities", +'s -'s Yes/no ..and all the rest which come easily to 'mind'. [* The Absolute] is without attributes (one could easily add.. "Duh" given that so few have glimpsed even, enough of [Reality] to conjure up some comparison.) "God Hates ___" must be among the easiest of litmus tests that one is listening to a malevolent idiot, but there are myriad examples. "God is Love" seems to get much more respect as, at very least ... there's much to be said (and so much of poetry describing) -- er, intimations of that 'immortality'. (I return to [square One] disabuse oneself of any serious use of the word Certainty ;^> Maybe carrion reminds us of that, as regards our 'futures'(s) ... just a w.a.g.) |
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just prior to the big bang, someone flushed the uber privvy
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman |
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Ubers have privvies?
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