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New A kinda.. Critique of Pure <strike>Reason</strike> Lying
Here at WaPo.


I study liars. I’ve never seen one like President Trump.
He tells far more lies, and far more cruel ones, than ordinary people do.

According to The Fact Checker's calculation, the president now averages 5 false or misleading claims per day. (Meg Kelly/The Washington Post)

New Aye, but in the end, will it matter?
The fly-overs are still the fly-overs.
Other recent polling by Morning Consult showed Trump's net approval rating in Indiana fell from plus-22 percentage points in January to plus-5 in September.

”These results from October put his approval underwater in the state, with negative-5 approval," Kinsella said.

But Trump's support among his base remains strong, Kinsella said, with 77 percent approval among Republicans.

That's the group that Indiana Republican Party Chairman Kyle Hupfer focused on in a statement responding to the poll.

"Hoosier Republicans proudly support President Trump and Vice President Pence because of their unwavering commitment to reform our broken tax code and rid us of Obamacare’s stranglehold on our economy all while keeping America and Americans safe," he said.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/25/poll-donald-trump-under-water-indiana/797998001/

And recall that a Democrat won in Alabama by the slimmest of margins because he was running against a pedophile.

I've very little doubt that if the election were re-run today, Indiana would still go for Trump. Perhaps not by 19 points this time, but by at least 5-8 points. Therein lies the trouble. The vast majority of active voters in this state are ineducable. They are proud of their ignorance and see it as a strength. An oft heard refrain around here is "Teachers are overpaid." Even among co-workers whose spouses are teachers. People in the fly-over see education as a weakness. Unless, of course, that education occurs in one of the pseudo-madrasas that teach the wee ones to "believe in the Christ."

There's just too many damned churches and too many damned Christians in the fly-overs to suggest there is even the faintest hope for progress in the region. Given our Electoral College, that doesn't bode well for any of us.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New There are not so many Christians in the Fly-over States.
It is totally impossible to reconcile Donald Trump with Christian values. He exemplifies almost everything Jesus taught against.

What you see in those states is not actual Christians but CINOs: Christians in Name Only.

They care nothing for what Jesus taught, because it would interfere with their beliefs and their lifestyles.
Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Dec. 18, 2017, 06:41:00 PM EST
New beg 2 disagree the christians there are
the 3 piece suit buying real estate with other peoples money christians and believe jesus drives a limo and has airblown hair. After he comes they will never have to pay taxes or associate with the commoners again
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New As I state in my post, CINOs - Christians in Name Only
What you have described is certainly a definition of what many high status CINO are like.

None pay any attention to the New Testament because it would conflict badly with their beliefs.
New See "Prosperity Theology"
--

Drew
New And that is absolue total bullshit.
If you want a valid claim to being a Christian (and expect the promise of salvation) you must live in accordance.

"Whoever believeth in me shall have eternal life."

A little catch here. If you "believeth in him" you live in accordance with the principles he hath layeth before you. If you don't, then your claim of belief is bogus, and will be recognized as such (see New Testament).

It doesn't matter a piss what religion you claim to adhere to, you follow that kind of bullshit St. Peter's gonna pull the lever on the trap door to hell, Angel Michael will fillet you with his flaming sword, Anubus will toss your heart to the Eater of the Dead, you will be reincarnated as an untouchable with the job of cleaning latrines at a leper colony, or similar - or perhaps all of those. The rules don't vary much from one religion to another.

A major reason I departed the devout Christian faith of my childhood was realization that 99.97 & 1/3 of persons claiming to be Christians are nothing of the sort, not even close.

Let 'em all burn in hell (or whatever punishment they think they are going to escape by unsupported "belief").

"Belief" cripples the mind.
New Church-driven Christianity has become a cult.
And I don't say that lightly.

A great deal of even vaguely evangelical church-goers listen to the sermon teachings each Sunday and take it to heart. They don't question it, they don't read their Bible for themselves, they barely even discuss it with other congregants. They're basically told not to. This is almost exactly how the church ran for hundreds of years before the Reformation. It is also how several other monotheistic religions have run for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Wade.
New (Species-wide, then..) "Belief" has become homo-Sap's Epitaph (and epithet ..a Two-fer, eh?)
I Believe ..I'll have another glass of Moscato Amabile
New Just saw this today
https://youtu.be/7y1xJAVZxXg

It's from 2015, but it's all still true.
--

Drew
New Hilarious.. except in its implications
but see the ~3 min. Followup on results (actual cash sent, apparently not all chickenfeed --> Doctors Without Borders...as every decent folk would have wished, I wot.

{{Alas}}

Not a single Evangelist I've ever encountered..
has even a soupçon of a Sense of Humor (or even Humour.)
DOOMED == *ALL* of us should their 'seeds' manage to debilitate [more..] quadrillions of neurons ... next.



Carrion. You've been Watching it.
New You expect to find people who follow the alleged teachings of Christ in Capitalist America?
Surely you jest. Churches have nothing to do with what is claimed to be the vaunted teachings of Christ (the gist of which you can get by reading Marx and unlike the gospels, we know Marx is the actual author of those teachings). Churches are where the various tribes of American Christians meet once a week to be "saved" from the wretched lives their "father" has bestowed upon them. It is nothing more than a place to be seen and to identify with a community of equally lying folks who claim to believe that an illiterate Palestinian who was killed a couple of thousand years ago picked their particular tribe as "the chosen" folk who get to live forever because they're better than all other humans. It is nothing short of insane.

In the sense you describe, there are no legitimate Christians in the flyover region or, I'd argue, in the United States at all.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New ..well, when a tribe has come to ƒeare all Truthiness (..more even, than their very-own Debbil-guy?)
ya just KNOW that
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things won't end well for that tribe.




Oh Well. Easy come.. ...
New Here are among the reasons why the UK is a more pleasant place.
Do you believe in God or a higher spiritual power?
US: 87%
UK: 28%

Church Membership
US: 55%
UK: 10%

Most damning Survey Question
Do you believe that religion can answer all or most of today's problems, or that religion is largely old-fashioned and out of date?

"Can answer" response percentages
US: 57%
UK: 19%

Sources:
https://faithsurvey.co.uk/uk-christianity.html

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/belief-in-god/

http://news.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx

http://news.gallup.com/poll/171998/majority-says-religion-answer-today-problems.aspx

https://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and-belief-some-surveys-and-statistics/

The accuracy of these percentages can of course be questioned. But what I believe is fair to say is that Muricans are "at least twice as religious as Brits" in the most damnable, corrupted sense of that word.
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New That's all well and good. But I'm unconvinced that "going to church" isn't in and of itself evil.
It's certainly tribal. But I'll yield on the point that in the absence of any sense of "Godliness" the danger of church attendance is significantly reduced. (Mind: in the UK from one of the above sources, only about 5% of Brits attend church regularly compared to about 40% in the US)
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
New Incumbents are usually reelected
"The problem, again, as Harold McMillan famously said, was “events, dear boy, events.”

Things happen and it matters."

[...more, of course]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/9/16447546/trump-2020
     A kinda.. Critique of Pure <strike>Reason</strike> Lying - (Ashton) - (16)
         Aye, but in the end, will it matter? - (mmoffitt) - (14)
             There are not so many Christians in the Fly-over States. - (Andrew Grygus) - (13)
                 beg 2 disagree the christians there are - (boxley) - (7)
                     As I state in my post, CINOs - Christians in Name Only - (Andrew Grygus) - (6)
                         See "Prosperity Theology" - (drook) - (5)
                             And that is absolue total bullshit. - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                                 Church-driven Christianity has become a cult. - (static) - (1)
                                     (Species-wide, then..) "Belief" has become homo-Sap's Epitaph (and epithet ..a Two-fer, eh?) - (Ashton)
                                 Just saw this today - (drook) - (1)
                                     Hilarious.. except in its implications - (Ashton)
                 You expect to find people who follow the alleged teachings of Christ in Capitalist America? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                     ..well, when a tribe has come to ƒeare all Truthiness (..more even, than their very-own Debbil-guy?) - (Ashton) - (3)
                         Here are among the reasons why the UK is a more pleasant place. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                             It's not just snark when they say... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 That's all well and good. But I'm unconvinced that "going to church" isn't in and of itself evil. - (mmoffitt)
         Incumbents are usually reelected - (dmcarls)

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