Post #420,131
9/5/17 8:07:34 AM
9/5/17 8:09:04 AM
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And head toward Texas or Mexico?
If it swings into the Gulf of Mexico, it could strengthen and be a real horror show. :0(
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.

Edited by mmoffitt
Sept. 5, 2017, 08:07:47 AM EDT
And head toward Texas?
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.

Edited by mmoffitt
Sept. 5, 2017, 08:09:04 AM EDT
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Post #420,134
9/5/17 12:17:19 PM
9/5/17 12:17:19 PM
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Um...
NHC Discussion #26 at 11 AM: Irma is an extremely impressive hurricane in both infrared and visible satellite images. Experimental GOES-16 one-minute visible satellite pictures show a distinct 25-30 n mi wide eye with several mesovortices rotating within with eye. The aircraft have not sampled the northeastern eyewall where the strongest winds were measured shortly before 1200 UTC this morning, but the Air Force plane will be entering the eye in that quadrant momentarily. A peak SFMR wind of 154 kt was reported, with a few others of 149-150 kt. Based on these data the initial intensity is set at 155 kt for this advisory. This makes Irma the strongest hurricane in the Atlantic basin outside of the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico in the NHC records.
Irma is expected to remain within low vertical wind shear, a moist mid-level atmosphere, and high upper-ocean heat content as it moves west-northwestward during the next several days. These conditions should allow the hurricane to remain very intense throughout much of the forecast period, however, fluctuations in intensity are likely to occur as eyewall replacement cycles take place. The NHC intensity forecast is near the upper-end of the guidance and assumes little overall interaction of Irma with the islands of the Greater Antilles.
Irma continues to move westward at about 12 kt, and a strong subtropical ridge centered over the central Atlantic should steer Irma generally westward today. The ridge is expected to remain in place over the western Atlantic during the next several days and Irma is forecast to move west-northwestward throughout the most of remainder of the forecast period. Around day 5, a shortwave trough dropping southward over the central United States is expected to begin eroding the western portion of the ridge, allowing a Irma to gain some latitude. The new NHC track forecast is close to the HFIP corrected consensus model and is very similar to the previous forecast.
Since Irma is a large hurricane, users are reminded to not focus on the exact forecast track since tropical-storm and hurricane-force winds and life-threatening storm surge extend far from the center. Residents in the Leeward Islands should complete their preparations very soon as the weather will begin to deteriorate over the easternmost Leeward Islands later this afternoon.
KEY MESSAGES:
1. Irma is a potentially catastrophic category 5 hurricane and will bring life-threatening wind, storm surge, and rainfall hazards to portions of the northeastern Leeward Islands beginning later today and the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico beginning tomorrow. Preparations should be rushed to completion before the arrival of tropical-storm force winds later today in the Leeward Islands and tomorrow morning in Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico.
2. Hurricane watches have been issued for portions of the Dominican Republic and Haiti, the southeastern Bahamas and Turks and Caicos, and Irma could bring dangerous wind, storm surge, and rainfall to those areas on Thursday and Friday.
3. Irma could directly affect the remainder of the Bahamas and Cuba as an extremely dangerous major hurricane later this week. Residents in these areas should monitor the progress of Irma and listen to advice given by officials.
4. The chance of direct impacts from Irma later this week and this weekend is increasing in the Florida Keys and portions of the Florida Peninsula. However, it is too soon to specify the timing and magnitude of the impacts. Elsewhere, it is too early to determine what direct impacts Irma might have on the continental United States. Everyone in hurricane-prone areas should ensure that they have their hurricane plan in place.
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
INIT 05/1500Z 16.8N 58.4W 155 KT 180 MPH 12H 06/0000Z 17.2N 60.3W 155 KT 180 MPH 24H 06/1200Z 18.1N 63.0W 150 KT 175 MPH 36H 07/0000Z 19.1N 65.9W 145 KT 165 MPH 48H 07/1200Z 20.1N 68.7W 140 KT 160 MPH 72H 08/1200Z 21.4N 74.0W 135 KT 155 MPH 96H 09/1200Z 22.7N 78.3W 130 KT 150 MPH 120H 10/1200Z 24.4N 81.2W 125 KT 145 MPH
$$ Forecaster Brown (Emphasis added.) A neat graphic of a couple of models. On shows the eye hitting Tampa, one shows it hitting Miami. It's going to be a mess, even without hitting the Gulf. :-( Cheers, Scott.
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Post #420,136
9/5/17 12:37:50 PM
9/5/17 12:37:50 PM
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Thanks for reminding: NHC is about the Best we gots..
IF.. this becomes a Monster.. there's a small [+] side (one Hopes) re the Climate-Deniers' incipient Waterloo
(dis-US is so screwed up that) this "maybe news"... IS a [+] ... :-/
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Post #420,137
9/5/17 1:15:31 PM
9/5/17 1:15:31 PM
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If I were a worse person ... and had a forum to pull this stunt ...
I'd have gone into Texas ahead of Harvey and tracked down Trump voters who were planning to evacuate. I'd ask if they believe in climate change, and when they say "No" ask them why not. Then ask them to square their answer with the fact that they're evacuating.
After all, it's only climate scientists predicting rain, and they've got lots of different models that give lots of different predictions. They don't really "know" anything, do they?
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Post #420,188
9/6/17 7:13:54 PM
9/6/17 7:13:54 PM
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Well, as an Edjumacation(?) errand, one comes up with another association
It seems IME that, those who often employ a variety of "Logical Errors"--each having its own Name--are also amongthat group which is unaware that there IS such a List.
This is not to Insist-that: were each of these to be exposed to The LIst? in an amiable bull-session (suitably laced with humorous examples) say, that none! would Grok to some degree: their thus predicament. Am unaware if this experiment has been funded. Yet. But I recommend the drill to any career-hungry socio-{something) Student, as well as to all those quite Certain that: all these dupes are Simply incorrigible Dullards.
We gots to Start from Somewhere with that ... benefit of a doubt koan, Right? :-)
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Post #420,195
9/7/17 9:58:07 AM
9/7/17 9:58:07 AM
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There once was a professor of philosophy ...
I can't find a reference to the story, so here's how I remember it.
Two students were in the professor's apartment arguing that it was impossible to know anything with certainty. As the argument wore on, he invited them to join him at the cafe across the street for lunch.
Upon reaching the street, he pushed them in front of an approaching carriage. When they both jumped back he asked them, "If you didn't know that carriage was approaching, why didn't you continue across the street to the cafe?"
While it may be true in a philosophical sense that you don't "know" something, there's a point where it's close enough to live your life by.
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Post #420,260
9/10/17 1:53:15 PM
9/10/17 1:53:15 PM
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;^> ... True, dat.
umm.. 'sorta', because.. [this reply cancelled because: TMI]
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Post #420,148
9/5/17 2:12:23 PM
9/5/17 2:12:23 PM
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NO! Climate change is a HOAX.
This is not climate change - this is the WRATH OF GOD - for voting for Trump!
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Post #420,139
9/5/17 1:27:52 PM
9/5/17 1:27:52 PM
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Thanks.
I don't know this science. I see from your graphic that it's supposed to turn hard north as it just passes the tip of FL. I'm sure there's solid reasoning behind making that prediction and am in no way questioning it, but I am curious as to why it won't keep moving West as the eye moves between Cuba and FL? Do you know what, either in the model or in nature itself, makes that an unlikely track?
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #420,144
9/5/17 1:50:05 PM
9/5/17 1:50:05 PM
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Hurricanes draw their energy from warm water
When they hit land, they'll tend to turn toward the land since the energy is coming in from the opposite side.
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Post #420,147
9/5/17 2:07:05 PM
9/5/17 2:07:05 PM
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There's supposed to be a high-pressure front moving in to keep it from moving farther west.
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Post #420,153
9/5/17 3:22:53 PM
9/5/17 3:22:53 PM
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Of course. Completely logical, I hadn't looked. Thanks again.
bcnu, Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #420,171
9/5/17 11:32:25 PM
9/5/17 11:32:25 PM
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Actually, Cuban mountains to siphon it's energy.
Alex
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-- Isaac Asimov
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