Yes, it does.

Post #419,948 by mmoffitt 8/24/17 1:06:29 PM 8/24/17 1:06:29 PM Reply	Yes, it does. Knowingly laying a wreath at the graves of dead SS is equivalent to saying, "All is forgiven." Which sounds awfully like the argument you're making. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #419,949 by drook 8/24/17 2:23:36 PM 8/24/17 2:23:36 PM Reply	Do you know the difference between "action" and "intent"? -- Drew
Post #419,954 by mmoffitt 8/24/17 3:40:40 PM 8/24/17 3:40:40 PM Reply	One more time, slowly. "Reagan acknowledged the evils of the past, and was making a point to show that despite that past we could now work together." That's what YOU said, right? So, the intent of the wreath laying was to say, "We forgive you the atrocities, now let's move forward". It was fucking clear to even the most blind that we were capable of "working together" with West Germany (FFS!!!ONE1) without have to lay a wreath on the graves of dead SS. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #419,964 by CRConrad 8/25/17 2:17:36 AM 8/25/17 2:17:36 AM Reply	You're still just as wrong. Da Moff confidently proclaims: "Knowingly laying a wreath at the graves of dead SS is equivalent to saying, "All is forgiven." A) No it isn't. That's your interpretation, and as so often from you, it's wrong again. It could just as well be equivalent to saying "we grieve for the deaths of these ordinary soldiers" -- and I'm pretty sure that was what Reagan meant. For one thing, that goes for the Waffen-SS too; for another, you seem to very quickly have got into this silly habit of pretending those other 1,950 guys weren't there. B) Even if it were: So what? Are the Germans, as a people, never going to be forgiven; pariahs for ever and ever? (Dunno if you've noticed already, but pretty much all of them that were around then are long dead.) How is that attitude different from "Never forgive the Jesus-killers!" anti-semitism? -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #419,966 by mmoffitt 8/25/17 8:30:12 AM 8/25/17 8:30:12 AM Reply	Re: You're still just as wrong. A) Merely stating as a fact YOUR opinion does not define a fact. Nor does it even offer the weakest of arguments as to the superiority of your opinion to that of Ellie Wiesel, me and the overwhelming majority of sentient beings who do not give a rat fuck that those "brave boys in brown" who were not SS, technically, and were, I suppose you'd argue, not really Nazis in that grave yard helped keep the trains running on time or maybe just killed or helped others to kill Allied Forces who where trying to overthrow Hitler. Fuck them, the memory of them and their contributions to the Reich. B) WTF? Who is advocating never forgiving the German people? We're talking about not honoring the corpses of the people who aided Hitler in his atrocities FFS. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #419,968 by drook 8/25/17 9:49:55 AM 8/25/17 9:49:55 AM Reply	Heh Merely stating as a fact YOUR opinion does not define a fact. Physician, heal thyself. -- Drew
Post #419,972 by mmoffitt 8/25/17 10:01:57 AM 8/25/17 10:01:57 AM Reply	I'm sorry. I didn't know you were so unfamiliar with English. How'd this sub-thread start? Oh yeah, I posted this: I don't disagree with your sentiment on the issue(s) of today. However, I can understand why some would view your latest post, if taken to be the general consensus, as hypocritical given how popular Ronnie Rayguns was and remained even after he shamed (in my view anyway) our nation with his antics on that horrible day in May, 1985. "In my view anyway" is not a phrase used in English to express statements of fact. HTH. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #419,973 by drook 8/25/17 10:13:21 AM 8/25/17 10:13:21 AM Reply	More Anyone who claims that Reagan was not (at the very least) a Fascist sympathizer didn't pay attention to the 1980's. Knowingly laying a wreath at the graves of dead SS is equivalent to saying, "All is forgiven." So, the intent of the wreath laying was to say, "We forgive you the atrocities, now let's move forward". -- Drew
Post #419,974 by mmoffitt 8/25/17 10:44:58 AM 8/25/17 10:44:58 AM Reply	Preamble qualified all of that as "In my view." HTH. Again. Context is everything. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.

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