solicitous for sooth...

Post #418,897 by hnick 7/15/17 6:11:54 PM 7/15/17 6:11:54 PM Reply	solicitous for sooth... Yes, I understand your pique about perfectionists who are single issue voters. Your contempt for those that did not toe the line and enthusiastically endorse a severely flawed candidate washes over, uncomfortably, those of us who held our noses and voted for a very inferior candidate as the lesser of evils. In your political world, is there no place for a person in a representative democracy who would like their own views represented? Possibly ahead of the lobbyists? Or are you pushing a cash and carry democracy as well? The DNC picked a very flawed strategy and Hillary followed the money. That's not the voters problem. Not voting for someone who publicly pissed on them seems unsurprising. That's the DNC's problem. Could you please contain your vituperation for those who deserve it? "Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." ~ AMBROSE BIERCE (1842-1914)
Post #418,898 by rcareaga 7/15/17 8:52:40 PM 7/15/17 8:52:40 PM Reply	Since you asked. My vituperation is aimed right where it belongs. Not voting for someone who publicly pissed on them seems unsurprising. And the people who did not vote for someone you assert pissed on them helped elect a president who is very publicly shitting on all of us. I’m glad to learn that you held your nose. Not everyone here could be troubled to. Although I came to regard the Sage of Burlington as a cranky back-bencher, I would have voted for him unhesitatingly had he secured the nomination. The notion, advanced by so many Sanders dead-enders, that the “economically insecure” knuckle-dragging simpletons—you know, the “Fuck Your Feelings” t-shirt set—were going to forsake Trump and his red-meat message and flock to the banner of a Jewish atheist socialist from New England, strikes me as unpersuasive, not to say risible. I’ll spare your sensibilities and not repeat for the nth time Tbogg’s Epistle to the Purity Ponies in its entirety, except to remind you that yes indeed, it would be lovely if we did not dwell in a cash-and-carry democracy, but that we don’t in fact live there, and that stamping our feet and holding our breath ain’t going to change that. Anyone and everyone with whom the truth of Pierce’s words still did not resonate by last November, everyone who sat out the election or cast a third-party protest vote, deserves the contempt of every decent person, and has coming every gallon of shit that Trump spews over him (my “vituperation” should be the least of their concerns. To repeat: bite me). The rest of us, not so much. cordially,
Post #418,899 by boxley 7/15/17 9:53:12 PM 7/15/17 9:53:12 PM Reply	what in particular is in that excrement that you have issues with? Since he has not been able to do much of anything with the dems solidly against everything he wants to do and mavericks in his party bolting in hysteria at every nauseous tweet, he hasn't ed zachary accomplished much of anything at all. The only concrete thing he has managed was appointing a supreme, and there has not been a hard right turn there since he squatted on the bench "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #418,900 by Ashton 7/16/17 4:37:24 AM 7/16/17 4:37:24 AM Reply	Jeez, Box, lookin fer an encyclopedia of aberrations (indented-outline maybe?) Shrinks take lots of time and charge much for an essay aimed at some "pretend-naif?" (all wide-eyed and wondering why so many might harbor unkind thoughts) about ..a truculent child, seen to play with blasting caps, invent alt-'facts' and to engage in mindless destruction of many essentials of a/ of any "society". So what are You after? the mindless destruction, senseless violence ..or a titrated mixture? Carrion, often made from minced words.
Post #418,901 by CRConrad 7/16/17 6:43:11 AM 7/16/17 6:43:11 AM Reply	Don't you even have the decency to at least hate yourself for spewing such utter bullshit as that? You fucking well should.
Post #418,903 by boxley 7/16/17 10:26:51 AM 7/16/17 10:26:51 AM Reply	nope, do you have an actual list of what he has accomplished? maybe I missed something "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #418,907 by a6l6e6x 7/16/17 2:44:05 PM 7/16/17 2:44:44 PM Reply	Dakota Access Pipeline approval over native American objections? Executive order -- Done. Wiki: Political ties According to his federal disclosure forms, filed in May 2016, President Donald Trump held between $15,000 and $50,000 in stock in Energy Transfer Partners – down from $500,000 to $1 million in 2015 – and between $100,000 and $250,000 in Phillips 66. This creates a conflict of interest when making presidential decisions affecting the pipeline project. The senior Democrat on the Public Resources Committee, Raul Grijalva, called this appearance of conflict of interest "disturbing".[147] The Washington Post reported that Trump sold off his shares in Energy Transfer Partners in the summer of 2016.[148] The credibility of this claim has been questioned.[149] Trump is also indirectly linked to the project because Energy Transfer Partners CEO Kelcy Warren contributed $103,000 to the Trump campaign.[150][151] Trump has said that he supports the completion of the pipeline project. According to his transition team this position "has nothing to do with his personal investments and everything to do with promoting policies that benefit all Americans."[152] A former staffer of Iowa Governor Terry Branstad re-election campaign, Susan Fenton, who is now the director of government affairs with the Des Moines public relations firm LS2, is handling public relations for Energy Transfer.[153] Texas governor Rick Perry was member of the Energy Transfer Partners and Sunoco Logistics Partners boards of directors but resigned after Trump selected Perry as his nomination for Energy Secretary In December 2016.[154] Kelcy Warren had contributed $6 million to Perry's 2016 Presidential campaign.[155] System working as designed. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov Edited by a6l6e6x July 16, 2017, 02:44:44 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #418,908 by boxley 7/16/17 2:56:38 PM 7/16/17 2:56:38 PM Reply	pipelines are safer than railcars. All of the permits were in place "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #418,909 by Ashton 7/16/17 4:15:31 PM 7/16/17 4:15:31 PM Reply	Well, under Prez-invested Toxic Attacks ... on all living things.. there's this: Alberta has over 1 trillion liters of toxic tailings ponds. And they keep growing. (Was going to cite "Wedding Day at Trollhaugen" as a submission for Box's leitmotif;) alas.. it's spelled "Troldhaugen", so the 'nick is a FAIL/..too many words. Oh. Well.
Post #418,919 by mmoffitt 7/17/17 8:28:33 AM 7/17/17 8:28:33 AM Reply	TPP. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #418,904 by Another Scott 7/16/17 1:51:14 PM 7/16/17 1:51:14 PM Reply	Shall we count the ways? The Teabaggers have the majority in the House and Senate and the White House. And most of the courts. Them being unable to pass their agenda isn't somehow the Democrats fault. It's their incompetence. (Yes, I know about 60 votes in the Senate. Explain the House inaction to me...) But what have they done? - conspired with Russia to steal elections for the White House and (at the very least) House races - stealing a Supreme Court seat - violating the Emoluments clause of the Constitution - fired all the US Attorneys in an attempt to disguise the sacking of Preet Bharara for his investigation against Russian money laundering via Trump's properties - unleashing ICE on innocent people - attempting to destroy immigration from Muslim countries - immigrants who work in rural healthcare, etc., etc. - gutting the State Department - attempting to destroy international agreements (Paris, TPP, TTIP, etc.) - helping to destroy NATO and the EU to reward his "friend" Vlad - rewarding dictators and wannabe dictators (Duterte, Erdogan, Putin, etc.) - getting us more deeply involved in Syria and other unwinnable wars - acting as a bully against Qatar - apparently at least in part to try to pressure investors in Jr's 666 white elephant You get the idea. Those are just off the top of my head. Just because the Teabaggers have been incompetent at passing legislation (thus far) doesn't mean that they and Donnie aren't doing tremendous damage. I assume you're doing your part to defeat the BCRAP bill in the Senate. Right? HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #418,906 by boxley 7/16/17 2:43:32 PM 7/16/17 2:43:32 PM Reply	Re: Shall we count the ways? - conspired with Russia to steal elections for the White House and (at the very least) House races If you have proof of that notify the FBI please - stealing a Supreme Court seat How is that done? I didnt know a seat was missing - violating the Emoluments clause of the Constitution Again if you have proof that drumpf is taking a bribe, please notify the HBI please - fired all the US Attorneys in an attempt to disguise the sacking of Preet Bharara for his investigation against Russian money laundering via Trump's properties How come you didnt want Obama fired for firing the US attorneys? If I remember right you were cheering at the time because the Liberty U gomers were sent off - unleashing ICE on innocent people while I disagree on US law on immigration ICE is enforcing current law. - attempting to destroy immigration from Muslim countries - immigrants who work in rural healthcare, etc., etc. we did it to the japanese, chinese, irish, italians and the Jews. Not to say it is right, just ample precendent from the past - gutting the State Department ? gonna need to expand on that one, Haven't seen an bews on that. - attempting to destroy international agreements (Paris, TPP, TTIP, etc.) attempting isnt done - helping to destroy NATO and the EU to reward his "friend" Vlad you will need to expand on that, He was just in Poland affirming the alliance. Altho maybe he heard he was down in the Polls so he went there to shore them up - rewarding dictators and wannabe dictators (Duterte, Erdogan, Putin, etc.) How is he rewarding them? You got copies of the checks he sent? - getting us more deeply involved in Syria and other unwinnable wars no question on that one - acting as a bully against Qatar - apparently at least in part to try to pressure investors in Jr's 666 white elephant What is he doing to Qatar? He is getting people involved to help them out? Sounds like you are watching too much fox news "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #419,024 by Another Scott 7/20/17 8:56:51 AM 7/20/17 8:56:51 AM Reply	Related: Joel Clement at WaPo - I'm a scientist not an accountant. Washington Post: I am not a member of the deep state. I am not big government. I am a scientist, a policy expert, a civil servant and a worried citizen. Reluctantly, as of today, I am also a whistleblower on an administration that chooses silence over science. Nearly seven years ago, I came to work for the Interior Department, where, among other things, I’ve helped endangered communities in Alaska prepare for and adapt to a changing climate. But on June 15, I was one of about 50 senior department employees who received letters informing us of involuntary reassignments. Citing a need to “improve talent development, mission delivery and collaboration,” the letter informed me that I was reassigned to an unrelated job in the accounting office that collects royalty checks from fossil fuel companies. [...] Yeah, but they haven't done anything yet, it's all propaganda... Cheers, Scott.
Post #419,045 by boxley 7/20/17 6:25:36 PM 7/20/17 6:25:36 PM Reply	sure, trump called down there and said get rid of that guy not hardly. He was helping communities prepare for climate change. Instead they should be worrying about clean water and decent housing. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #419,049 by Another Scott 7/20/17 8:04:38 PM 7/20/17 8:04:38 PM Reply	People are policy. The federal government can do more than one thing at at time, when it has people in leadership who want to get good things done... Cheers, Scott.
Post #419,055 by Ashton 7/20/17 9:48:49 PM 7/20/17 9:48:49 PM Reply	"Instead.. ...." wtf Are you On? WND did scrambled your DNA; it will take vivisection, I wot.
Post #419,076 by boxley 7/21/17 4:42:38 PM 7/21/17 4:42:38 PM Reply	so preparing for climate change is more important than clean drinking water, check "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #419,079 by Ashton 7/21/17 6:17:14 PM 7/21/17 6:17:14 PM Reply	Your full-Monty Black/White digital "reasoning"-for-an-effect insults MY ..and apparently Others' intelligence. Repeatedly.. almost 'without surcease', y'know, Bunkie? (And YES we. know. that you Are capable of regular-Reasoning).. but you don't "waste?" that effort on the denizens of This venue. [save on Rare occasion] And THAT's fucking-obvious. Carrion, sometimes it's in the form of mouth-noises
Post #419,083 by drook 7/21/17 9:28:53 PM 7/21/17 9:28:53 PM Reply	Which is more important: your left eye or your right eye? -- Drew
Post #419,087 by boxley 7/21/17 10:41:33 PM 7/21/17 10:41:33 PM Reply	kicking and clawing your way past the homeless wretches to claim your positions as champions of the of the people with winks and nods to your fellow intelligensia as you shovel the needy away from the troughs of power is how it looks from down here. take journalism for example https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/media-war-trump-destined-fail "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #419,090 by drook 7/22/17 12:16:35 AM 7/22/17 12:16:35 AM Reply	"Down here" WTF you kidding? It's not a choice of, "preparing for climate change is more important than clean drinking water". As AScott said a bit up-thread, the federal government can do more than one thing at at time. So it should be "preparing for climate change and clean drinking water." -- Drew
Post #419,095 by boxley 7/22/17 10:19:23 AM 7/22/17 10:19:23 AM Reply	it must be a choice, preparing for climate change while allowing for flint michegan happened and down here means us folks at the bottom who can only see the soles of the feet of the folks feeding from that federal trough "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #419,097 by drook 7/22/17 10:32:29 AM 7/22/17 10:32:29 AM Reply	That dichotomy isn't even false Destroying the environment and destroying the Flint water system are caused by the same thing. But you know that. You do know that, right? -- Drew
Post #419,100 by boxley 7/22/17 1:40:58 PM 7/22/17 1:40:59 PM Reply	destroying the environment, so you walk to work and store now, good to know "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #419,133 by Ashton 7/23/17 2:58:05 PM 7/23/17 2:58:05 PM Reply	OK.. I do drink water Also breathe air. Also LIKE having the [n+n-thousand Animals still-alive and WELL] Do not thrive ...WHEREVER I AM ... in triple-digit TEMPS. Do not condone "saving $$ for billionaire-buddies" of a mental 'Prez', via gutting as many programs aimed at preserving wild-life (or even JUST. LIFE.) Need moar? YOUR climate-∆-denying, nasty-mouthed/oft iggerant mentors represent SPECIES'-DEATH == ALL of them, not just Our drain-bamaged LIFE-despising assholes of 2001 +/- Look: Don Quixote already ran through your program(s) way-back: the Windmills in Netherlands ... continue to respond to F=MA/wind-in-action. But 'tis an ill-wind which blows balderdash.
Post #419,356 by CRConrad 7/31/17 6:06:52 AM 7/31/17 6:06:52 AM Reply	This kind of BS from BO is why I take a year or three off from this place every now and again. You know you're behaving like an arsehole, don't you, BOx? That this intellectual dishonesty you practice is infuriating, insulting, and beneath even you? (You can't be quite as stupid as you're trying to come off as.) And yet, you keep doing it, year after year. Ever seeen Forrest Gump? I think it is he who says, "Stupid is as stupid does". Applied here, it becomes "Arsehole is as arsehole does". -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)

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