Do they need specific ordinances for that?

Post #417,581 by drook 4/3/17 2:14:46 PM 4/3/17 2:14:46 PM Reply	Do they need specific ordinances for that? If it's zoned residential, it should already be illegal to run a retail business there. Unless it's far enough outside town that it's not explicitly zoned anything. -- Drew
Post #417,586 by scoenye 4/3/17 6:15:02 PM 4/3/17 6:15:02 PM Reply	Given the location... Wine country, middle of nowhere? I bet residential/agricultural... If so, trying to eradicate the weeds might get interesting.
Post #417,587 by rcareaga 4/3/17 6:40:42 PM 4/3/17 9:10:17 PM Reply	Re: Given the location... Not really the middle of nowhere—it's a five or ten minute drive to downtown Sonoma (pop. ≈10,000)—but the property is surrounded by small vineyards. I think the residents are perhaps less concerned with the property* being used for cultivation purposes than with the suspected on-site sales, since this is attracting a rather skeevy segment to the neighborhood. cordially, *It occurs to me that this might be a useful tack to take with the owner: sure, it's legal in California, but it would be a darn shame were the federal authorities to swoop down and go all asset forfeiture on your ass on account of your tenants' activities. It's happened elsewhere... Edited by rcareaga April 3, 2017, 09:10:17 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #417,589 by drook 4/3/17 7:41:58 PM 4/3/17 7:41:58 PM Reply	Does it count as agriculture if you're doing the retail sales/distribution onsite? -- Drew
Post #417,618 by scoenye 4/4/17 7:31:27 PM 4/4/17 7:31:27 PM Reply	It is how a lot of smaller farms stay afloat here Higher margins plus they can sell raw milk products. Most operate on the honor system.
Post #417,620 by drook 4/4/17 10:05:18 PM 4/4/17 10:05:18 PM Reply	Most places the raw milk isn't "retail" You buy a cow share. It's your cow and you're paying them to board it, so they're not technically selling you the milk. This would be an easy enough dodge for the pot growers. -- Drew
Post #417,591 by Ashton 4/3/17 8:20:43 PM 4/3/17 8:20:43 PM Reply	Heh.. well, in my bucolic cul-de-sac the new(er) neighbor has just expanded his original dozen or so olive trees (muy expensivo , those) to nearer triple that. I get a sampler of their ever-so-virgin olive oil each year. Maybe feeling a bit guilty that the previous owner grew many actually edible green things there? (even share-cropping my field too.) (just a w.a.g.) But at least, there will likely be zero folks ridin Hawgs, sportin papier-mache "helmets" beating a path to their digs.. and endangering the serenity of cats. Meanwhile I prefer to anticipate a gradual movement of this soporific substance ... into the needy bloodstreams of the Permanently Uptight Repo tribes, perhaps our only practical salvation from their acting out of evident endemic misanthropy. PS We'unses just had a special one-item ballot on just If/How to TAX this new windfall: 71% said, You betcha.. tax 'em and fix the bloody Roads!
Post #417,596 by mmoffitt 4/4/17 8:07:01 AM 4/4/17 8:07:01 AM Reply	What? "attracting a rather skeevy segment to the neighborhood." But I thought pot smokers were members of the "enlightened, progressive intellectual class" and only "narrow-minded, sanctimonious assholes" were opposed to legalization. No? I'm shocked. ;0) bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,598 by drook 4/4/17 8:24:33 AM 4/4/17 8:24:33 AM Reply	"Everything not required is prohibited." -- Drew
Post #417,606 by rcareaga 4/4/17 1:01:54 PM 4/4/17 1:01:54 PM Reply	You have been misinformed But I thought pot smokers were members of the "enlightened, progressive intellectual class" and only "narrow-minded, sanctimonious assholes" were opposed to legalization. I assume those are air quotes, since you have not encountered those assertions here. That marijuana prohibition has hitherto attracted, among others, individuals with a casual approach to observing the statutes is as little surprising as the earlier development of the alcohol trade in the 1920s not being dominated by Rotary Club types. In other news, Château Lafite Rothschild contains ethyl alcohol, which is also the active ingredient in Night Train Express, Thunderbird and Mad Dog 20/20. Clearly there is little difference between consumers of the former and of the latter three. But I thought correctly that you would be gratified by the account, and anticipated the tenor of your conclusion. cordially,
Post #417,607 by mmoffitt 4/4/17 1:04:34 PM 4/4/17 1:04:34 PM Reply	Legalization was just another step on the way to Trump. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,608 by rcareaga 4/4/17 1:16:18 PM 4/4/17 1:16:18 PM Reply	Geez. What have you been smoking?
Post #417,610 by mmoffitt 4/4/17 1:43:15 PM 4/4/17 1:43:15 PM Reply	That was only partially tongue-in-cheek. It is, arguably, an example of the DNC's decision that the people of the flyover region didn't matter. Their concerns didn't matter. After all, the President himself was a previous stoner and stoners are cool on the coasts. So what if the majority of people in the Red States are opposed to legalization? They aren't cool. They're backward, uneducated uncool people. We don't need to listen to them. The trouble is, of course, they do vote. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,611 by rcareaga 4/4/17 1:48:34 PM 4/4/17 1:48:34 PM Reply	If they're not stoners... It's because they're doing crystal meth. cordially,
Post #417,615 by mmoffitt 4/4/17 4:29:52 PM 4/4/17 4:29:52 PM Reply	Touché. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,616 by mmoffitt 4/4/17 4:31:46 PM 4/4/17 4:31:46 PM Reply	Still. Pot legalization seems to be a rather trivial matter to argue about today, wouldn't you agree? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,617 by rcareaga 4/4/17 5:28:56 PM 4/4/17 5:28:56 PM Reply	trivial pursuits Pot legalization seems to be a rather trivial matter to argue about today, wouldn't you agree? It’s not even an issue out here anymore, and at the risk of sounding an “I’ve got mine, Jack” note, I don’t care whether Indiana legalizes it today, next year, or a week after the heat death of the universe. Out here in lotus land, I look forward to trying out one o’ them newfangled “vaping” devices around the time of my next birthday. cordially,
Post #417,621 by crazy 4/5/17 3:01:56 AM 4/5/17 3:01:56 AM Reply	Stay away from the battery powered pens I prefer the plug in, dial adjustable temperature, with a 4 foot tube to draw on. Or a dabbing rig, but those cost serious cash and only work with oil.
Post #417,622 by mmoffitt 4/5/17 8:02:30 AM 4/5/17 8:02:30 AM Reply	That's, of course, unless Sessions comes, right? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,638 by rcareaga 4/5/17 1:55:13 PM 4/5/17 1:55:13 PM Reply	Jefferson Beauregard Sessions (That’s what the kids call a “tell,” by the way, kinda like a German politician named “Adolf Himmler Schmitt”—you can draw certain conclusions about the worldview that informed his upbringing.) Should Sessions embark on this jihad (difficult to see the political upside for the regime apart from the appeal to the knuckle-draggers in Lower Middle America of a thumb stuck into the collective eye of those snooty coastal elites—why yes, you appalling rustics, since you mention it we do despise you—but this lot doesn’t appear to do nuanced political calculation very well), he will launch his myrmidons at the growers and sellers: he simply doesn’t have the firepower to go after the consumers, and the states that have lifted prohibition are unlikely to reimpose it. Indeed, given the revenue stream that Colorado is presently enjoying from legalization, I imagine that the lack of cooperation there might even extend to pushback. In any event, the Justice Department won’t be coming after little old, emphasis on old, me when I take up the Weed with Roots in Hell again this summer after an interval of years. cordially,
Post #417,640 by mmoffitt 4/5/17 2:31:45 PM 4/5/17 2:31:45 PM Reply	I find it interesting, in an historical context, the reluctance of the Fed. To be sure the previous President was indisposed to do anything about it (my very old conjecture that the Weed does irreversible damage to one's senses with respect to the ability to recognize any possible negative results that might arise from use may have been at play here). But it occurs to me that there was this skirmish of about four years duration way back in the 1800's that resulted in the generally accepted notion that federal laws trumped (no pun intended) state laws. That seems to have been abandoned recently. If Jeff's middle name does in fact shed any light to his political leanings, he might proceed despite negative feedback from the teeming masses of the coasts and Colorado (they didn't need them to ascend to power anyway) with this historical context in mind. In the vein of "The Yankees didn't let us usurp Washington's laws, I'll be damned if I let a bunch of stoners thumb their noses at it now." Don't take what I write here to be any indication of any fire in the belly on this subject left lingering within me. We live in a failed state. If you get stoned enough, maybe you'll fail to recognize that fact and the contribution to that failure that the pothead generation made. I'm just here for the popcorn now. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,642 by rcareaga 4/5/17 2:58:31 PM 4/6/17 12:28:45 AM Reply	Left to my own devices… I’d probably get high once or twice a year. I’ll repeat that in my youth I smoked pot with a number of people who have gone on to become successful professionals. Most of these have retired now, but among them I count architects, attorneys (including judges), elected officials (including district attorneys), physicians, novelists, and a former U.S. Poet Laureate. I presume that you will reply that they would have all exhibited further prodigies of accomplishment in their respective fields but for impairing themselves in their salad days. But let’s not relitigate this. As for Sessions, the guy is a fucking kloset Klansman, as you and I know very well. States’ rights, my arse. cordially, Edited by rcareaga April 6, 2017, 12:28:45 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #417,643 by mmoffitt 4/5/17 4:39:16 PM 4/5/17 4:39:16 PM Reply	Is the irony of you arguing for States' Rights entirely lost on you? ;0) bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.

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