False dichotomy

Post #417,046 by drook 2/8/17 8:01:49 PM 2/8/17 8:01:49 PM Reply	False dichotomy So ask yourself, which would you prefer? Denying visas to people or killing them? Some people from $country !~ all people from $country. You've accepted the Republican frame, which is why you've reached the wrong conclusion. -- Drew
Post #417,049 by crazy 2/8/17 11:54:37 PM 2/8/17 11:54:37 PM Reply	Perfect lrpd This just in, kid: the mere fact that it's written down and believed in by millions of simpletons does not make something true.
Post #417,051 by mmoffitt 2/9/17 8:04:12 AM 2/9/17 8:05:30 AM Reply	There's the American Privilege that makes us the envy of the world. Like most Americans, if it doesn't happen in front of them, it doesn't happen. Or at least it doesn't matter. I take it your argument is "We only kill some of them. That's better than barring all of them from entry"? You do realize that is an idiotic thing to say or, $DEITY help you, believe, right? 100,000+ civilian deaths in Iraq is acceptable because, "it's only some people" and I'm the RW'er? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again. Edited by mmoffitt Feb. 9, 2017, 08:05:30 AM EST Expand All History
Post #417,052 by drook 2/9/17 8:12:51 AM 2/9/17 8:12:51 AM Reply	Still accepting their frame Are there Syrian soldiers attacking civilians? I'd prefer that's none of our business, but no, I'm not too broken up about killing them. So it's not about killing "some" vs "all" of them. It's about which ones. Exactly the distinction the ban doesn't make. Refugees are not terrorists. -- Drew
Post #417,053 by boxley 2/9/17 9:09:43 AM 2/9/17 9:09:43 AM Reply	"Refugees are not terrorists" Somali much? "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #417,054 by drook 2/9/17 9:14:02 AM 2/9/17 9:14:03 AM Reply	They did it too! Wah wah wah, neener neener. -- Drew
Post #417,056 by boxley 2/9/17 10:13:22 AM 2/9/17 10:13:22 AM Reply	sorry, didnt realise there was a special on poor generalizations this week "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #417,055 by mmoffitt 2/9/17 10:11:01 AM 2/9/17 10:11:01 AM Reply	I forgot. Our "smart bombs" never hit innocent civilians, including wedding parties and children. They only hit "the bad guys." Right? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,057 by Another Scott 2/9/17 10:26:54 AM 2/9/17 10:26:54 AM Reply	The real world is complicated. Pretending that the only way to make it better is to wait for the perfect candidate that is worthy of your vote, and in the meantime tut-tut about how stupid everyone is and how we somehow "deserve" to be destroyed by a bunch of know-nothing racist fascists, is beneath you. Bernie's made a big deal about how he wants to "work with" Trump, you know. But Bernie was so much better because reasons... TBogg again. (sigh) Cheers, Scott.
Post #417,059 by mmoffitt 2/9/17 10:30:14 AM 2/9/17 10:30:14 AM Reply	It is complicated. But that doesn't mean it should come down to the lesser of two evils. bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,061 by Another Scott 2/9/17 10:31:31 AM 2/9/17 10:31:31 AM Reply	It always comes down to a choice between imperfect candidates. You know this.
Post #417,069 by drook 2/9/17 1:40:33 PM 2/9/17 1:40:33 PM Reply	You can accept that's the current reality of our political system ... Or you can abstain from voting. Oh look! Another choice between two bad alternatives! I wonder which one he'll choose ... -- Drew
Post #417,085 by pwhysall 2/10/17 5:17:14 PM 2/10/17 5:17:14 PM Reply	All politicians are gits. All of them. It's always a choice of the less-cunty of two cunts. And Clinton, for all her faults, is waaaaaaaaaaay less cunty than Cheeto Jesus.
Post #417,109 by mmoffitt 2/13/17 8:26:06 AM 2/13/17 8:26:06 AM Reply	No argument. But, does that mean it's "less cunty" to bomb people than it is to ban them? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,111 by drook 2/13/17 10:19:20 AM 2/13/17 10:19:20 AM Reply	Which people? -- Drew
Post #417,116 by mmoffitt 2/13/17 11:53:29 AM 2/13/17 11:53:29 AM Reply	Seriously? Looking back at President Obama’s legacy, the Council on Foreign Relation’s Micah Zenko added up the defense department’s data on airstrikes and made a startling revelation: in 2016 alone, the Obama administration dropped at least 26,171 bombs. This means that every day last year, the US military blasted combatants or civilians overseas with 72 bombs; that’s three bombs every hour, 24 hours a day. While most of these air attacks were in Syria and Iraq, US bombs also rained down on people in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. That’s seven majority-Muslim countries. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,118 by Another Scott 2/13/17 12:56:04 PM 2/13/17 12:56:04 PM Reply	Argument #13862. I'm sure Bernie would have banned dropping bombs on people. That would have kept McConnell from silencing Warren for sure!!1 ;-p Cheers, Scott.
Post #417,121 by mmoffitt 2/13/17 3:22:09 PM 2/13/17 3:22:09 PM Reply	WTF has Bernie got to do with it? The question I put forth is, "How could people who are (rightly) outraged at the travel ban have remained silent when those very same people's countries were being bombed with alacrity?" Along those same lines, where, pray tell, does one imagine all those refugees came from and why? Iraq War? Libyan bombings? "Assad must go"? But since you brought Bernie up, who was it, again, who voted for the Iraq invasion and who voted against? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #417,128 by Another Scott 2/13/17 8:42:51 PM 2/13/17 8:42:51 PM Reply	Argument #13863. Trump is the enemy. Redebating the Iraq war, or the PPACA, or the $1T coin, or ..., isn't going to solve anything. Eyes on the prize. Cheers, Scott.
Post #417,119 by pwhysall 2/13/17 2:28:48 PM 2/13/17 2:28:48 PM Reply	Re: Seriously? Bernie would have authorised drone strikes, just like Obama did, and just like Trump is going to. Now, you can indulge in some prime angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin horseshit about how Bernie wouldn't have authorised as many drone strikes, but fact is: innocents were always going to die, whether the person signing off is an old fat white man with a wig, an old fat white man without a wig, or an old not-so-fat woman with frankly great hair. It sucks, if you're on the receiving end of that high-quality made-in-America ordnance. But that's just where US foreign policy is, these days.

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