why is he delusional?

Post #416,871 by boxley 1/25/17 11:46:07 AM 1/25/17 11:46:07 AM Reply	why is he delusional? how does one register to vote in california? What if any precautions other than a declaritive statement that one is a citizen is taken to ensure the applicant is A citizen of the USA and entitleted to vote? The last president was asked the same question and he berated the questioners honesty. What is wrong about auditing those voting roles? "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #416,872 by Another Scott 1/25/17 11:55:24 AM 1/25/17 11:55:24 AM Reply	They need to make up their minds. If the problem is voter registration, then restrictive voter IDs isn't the solution. If the problem is in-person voter fraud, then bringing the battle axes to the registration rolls isn't the solution. Donnie is butt-hurt because most people voted against him. His minions are trying to use Donnie's butt-hurt to restrict voting even more so that they continue to "win" even without the consent of the governed. Dead people don't vote. Nobody (maybe 10/10,000,000) is going to risk a felony by trying to vote multiple times or trying to fraudulently register. It's a non-issue in the real world. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #416,873 by boxley 1/25/17 11:59:20 AM 1/25/17 11:59:20 AM Reply	an audit should be fairly simple take a swath of people off of the rolls who voted in the last 2 elections. Check to see if they are citizens or of they are not citizens. Fairly simple process but you would roll out tanks and the national guard to stop it. "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #416,876 by drook 1/25/17 12:15:41 PM 1/25/17 2:27:05 PM Reply	Not how it works He's claiming "reports" and "studies" showing fraud. Show us the evidence. If you don't have any evidence, you're spending time and money investigating ... nothing. And if you've spent all your time and money investigating nothing, you don't have any left to investigate real things. Which is exactly the plan. Even getting the press to talk about the allegations is distracting the press from real issues. Chuck Todd nailed this when he said (paraphrasing), "I agree that inauguration crowd size it unimportant. But if it is unimportant why was that the first thing the new press secretary was sent out to discuss? And why was he made to tell obvious lies?" It's multiple reasons, including: * Loyalty test - If you're not willing to tell obvious lies for Trump you can't be trusted. (That whole link is worth reading.) * Distract the press - As long as they're talking about crowd size they're not talking about blocking visas being issued to anyone from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. * Isolate supporters - Drives a wedge further between his supporters and any news source that doesn't match their worldview. * Fatigue the undecided - Convince the third of the population that don't have strong partisan leanings that it isn't worth trying to figure out what's true and just stay out of the process. [edit] And here's an example of the goal of that fourth point. -- Drew Edited by drook Jan. 25, 2017, 12:34:03 PM EST Edited by drook Jan. 25, 2017, 02:27:05 PM EST Expand All History
Post #416,878 by Another Scott 1/25/17 12:17:31 PM 1/25/17 12:17:31 PM Reply	States already have procedures to remove people from the rolls. People have the right not to vote if they choose not to. That's no reason to remove them from the rolls. Donnie and the Feds don't need to be stomping around on this non-issue, and they should be fought for trying to do so. Voting should be easier, not more difficult. Cheers, Scott.
Post #416,881 by mmoffitt 1/25/17 4:18:15 PM 1/25/17 4:18:15 PM Reply	Oh, this is just too good to be true. (CNN)Donald Trump's nominee to head the Treasury department, Steven Mnuchin, is registered to vote in two states, a CNN KFile review of paperwork obtained through open records requests in New York and California show. While it is illegal to cast ballots in multiple states, it is not illegal to be registered in two states at the same time. In a tweet Wednesday, the president called for an investigation into voter fraud, including whether citizens are registered to vote in two states. "I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedure," the president wrote in a pair of consecutive tweets. CNN's KFile has also confirmed that before Wednesday morning, Steve Bannon, Trump's chief strategist and senior counselor, was registered to vote in both New York City as well as in Sarasota County, Florida. Since then, the supervisor of elections for Sarasota County said that Bannon was removed from the voting rolls on Wednesday after his office received confirmation from the city of New York that Bannon was registered to vote there too. Bannon's registration status was first reported by the Sarasota Herald-Tribune. http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/kfile-mnuchin-voter-registration/index.html Let's don Donnie Tiny Hands thinking cap and conclude that means Hillary's win in the popular vote just notched up by two. (Yeah, I know. I said use Donnie's thinking ;0) bcnu, Mikem Social Media is for Sociopaths.
Post #416,882 by drook 1/25/17 4:29:54 PM 1/25/17 4:29:54 PM Reply	Totally predictable Every time Trump accuses his opponents of some wrongdoing, just assume he's actually the one guilty of it. You won't be write every time, but probably more than 50/50. -- Drew
Post #416,883 by Another Scott 1/25/17 4:41:43 PM 1/25/17 4:41:43 PM Reply	I think I was registered in 3 or 4 locations in Chicago when I left. There was nothing nefarious about it on the voter's part - you moved and reregistered. I never assumed that I had to let the previous voting location know - I assumed they would take care of it (but they probably never did because it takes time and money to do so and there's no benefit in it). I only found out about it by accident (I don't recall how). It never occurred to me to try to vote multiple times. It's illegal, of course. Similarly, I've never notified my previous state's board of elections that I moved. I assumed the new state would take care of it. Now this was 20+ years ago. Maybe things are different now. It's hard enough to get someone to vote once. Who (except a tiny, tiny fringe) is going to even bother to try to vote twice? But to your point, yes. The actual cases of in-person double-voting or other types of fraud almost invariably seem to be done by Republicans. Cheers, Scott.
Post #416,884 by static 1/25/17 7:37:31 PM 1/25/17 7:37:31 PM Reply	Downfall of local registries. A single federal roll would solve all that. Of course, most USians wouldn't like that idea. :-) Wade.
Post #416,879 by boxley 1/25/17 12:29:44 PM 1/25/17 12:29:44 PM Reply	like I said, roll out tanks and the national guard to ensure that it neve happems "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
Post #416,880 by drook 1/25/17 12:35:14 PM 1/25/17 12:35:14 PM Reply	"Don't waste time and money starting it" != "Spend lots of time and money stopping it" -- Drew
Post #416,874 by mmoffitt 1/25/17 12:13:58 PM 1/25/17 12:15:11 PM Reply	Here's how. If we are to take him at his word (and I'll grant I can't think of a more dicey thing to do) he believes the only reason he lost the popular vote was because of fraudulent voting. That's delusional. Edit: More precisely defined his apparent position. bcnu, Mikem Social Media is for Sociopaths. Edited by mmoffitt Jan. 25, 2017, 12:15:11 PM EST Expand All History
Post #416,877 by drook 1/25/17 12:16:16 PM 1/25/17 12:16:16 PM Reply	Never assume his statements have any relation to what he believes -- Drew

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