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New And the hits keep on coming.
(CNN)President Donald Trump called on Wednesday for "a major investigation" into voter fraud, following through with baseless claims he has made since November's election alleging millions of illegal votes during the general election without citing any evidence.

"I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and ... even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedures!" Trump wrote in two consecutive tweets.

Trump's comments on voter fraud came Monday during a meeting with congressional leaders, where he reiterated an unsubstantiated claim that 3-5 million illegal votes cost him the popular vote, according to two sources familiar with the meeting.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/trump-calls-for-major-investigation-into-voter-fraud/index.html

ROFL! The man is delusional.
bcnu,
Mikem

Social Media is for Sociopaths.
New They need to work on their headlines
The first paragraph is good, but people will remember the headline.
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Drew
New why is he delusional?
how does one register to vote in california? What if any precautions other than a declaritive statement that one is a citizen is taken to ensure the applicant is
A citizen of the USA and entitleted to vote?

The last president was asked the same question and he berated the questioners honesty. What is wrong about auditing those voting roles?
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New They need to make up their minds.
If the problem is voter registration, then restrictive voter IDs isn't the solution.

If the problem is in-person voter fraud, then bringing the battle axes to the registration rolls isn't the solution.

Donnie is butt-hurt because most people voted against him. His minions are trying to use Donnie's butt-hurt to restrict voting even more so that they continue to "win" even without the consent of the governed.

Dead people don't vote. Nobody (maybe 10/10,000,000) is going to risk a felony by trying to vote multiple times or trying to fraudulently register.

It's a non-issue in the real world.

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New an audit should be fairly simple
take a swath of people off of the rolls who voted in the last 2 elections. Check to see if they are citizens or of they are not citizens. Fairly simple process but you would roll out tanks and the national guard to stop it.
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New Not how it works
He's claiming "reports" and "studies" showing fraud. Show us the evidence. If you don't have any evidence, you're spending time and money investigating ... nothing.

And if you've spent all your time and money investigating nothing, you don't have any left to investigate real things. Which is exactly the plan.

Even getting the press to talk about the allegations is distracting the press from real issues. Chuck Todd nailed this when he said (paraphrasing), "I agree that inauguration crowd size it unimportant. But if it is unimportant why was that the first thing the new press secretary was sent out to discuss? And why was he made to tell obvious lies?"

It's multiple reasons, including:

* Loyalty test - If you're not willing to tell obvious lies for Trump you can't be trusted. (That whole link is worth reading.)

* Distract the press - As long as they're talking about crowd size they're not talking about blocking visas being issued to anyone from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

* Isolate supporters - Drives a wedge further between his supporters and any news source that doesn't match their worldview.

* Fatigue the undecided - Convince the third of the population that don't have strong partisan leanings that it isn't worth trying to figure out what's true and just stay out of the process.

[edit]

And here's an example of the goal of that fourth point.

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Drew
Expand Edited by drook Jan. 25, 2017, 12:34:03 PM EST
Expand Edited by drook Jan. 25, 2017, 02:27:05 PM EST
New States *already* have procedures to remove people from the rolls.
People have the right not to vote if they choose not to. That's no reason to remove them from the rolls.

Donnie and the Feds don't need to be stomping around on this non-issue, and they should be fought for trying to do so.

Voting should be easier, not more difficult.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Oh, this is just too good to be true.
(CNN)Donald Trump's nominee to head the Treasury department, Steven Mnuchin, is registered to vote in two states, a CNN KFile review of paperwork obtained through open records requests in New York and California show.

While it is illegal to cast ballots in multiple states, it is not illegal to be registered in two states at the same time. In a tweet Wednesday, the president called for an investigation into voter fraud, including whether citizens are registered to vote in two states.

"I will be asking for a major investigation into VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and even, those registered to vote who are dead (and many for a long time). Depending on results, we will strengthen up voting procedure," the president wrote in a pair of consecutive tweets.

CNN's KFile has also confirmed that before Wednesday morning, Steve Bannon, Trump's chief strategist and senior counselor, was registered to vote in both New York City as well as in Sarasota County, Florida. Since then, the supervisor of elections for Sarasota County said that Bannon was removed from the voting rolls on Wednesday after his office received confirmation from the city of New York that Bannon was registered to vote there too. Bannon's registration status was first reported by the Sarasota Herald-Tribune.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/kfile-mnuchin-voter-registration/index.html

Let's don Donnie Tiny Hands thinking cap and conclude that means Hillary's win in the popular vote just notched up by two. (Yeah, I know. I said use Donnie's thinking ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

Social Media is for Sociopaths.
New Totally predictable
Every time Trump accuses his opponents of some wrongdoing, just assume he's actually the one guilty of it. You won't be write every time, but probably more than 50/50.
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Drew
New I think I was registered in 3 or 4 locations in Chicago when I left.
There was nothing nefarious about it on the voter's part - you moved and reregistered. I never assumed that I had to let the previous voting location know - I assumed they would take care of it (but they probably never did because it takes time and money to do so and there's no benefit in it). I only found out about it by accident (I don't recall how). It never occurred to me to try to vote multiple times. It's illegal, of course.

Similarly, I've never notified my previous state's board of elections that I moved. I assumed the new state would take care of it.

Now this was 20+ years ago. Maybe things are different now.

It's hard enough to get someone to vote once. Who (except a tiny, tiny fringe) is going to even bother to try to vote twice?

But to your point, yes. The actual cases of in-person double-voting or other types of fraud almost invariably seem to be done by Republicans.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Downfall of local registries.
A single federal roll would solve all that. Of course, most USians wouldn't like that idea. :-)

Wade.
New like I said, roll out tanks and the national guard to ensure that it neve happems
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New "Don't waste time and money starting it" != "Spend lots of time and money stopping it"
--

Drew
New Here's how.
If we are to take him at his word (and I'll grant I can't think of a more dicey thing to do) he believes the only reason he lost the popular vote was because of fraudulent voting. That's delusional.


Edit: More precisely defined his apparent position.
bcnu,
Mikem

Social Media is for Sociopaths.
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Jan. 25, 2017, 12:15:11 PM EST
New Never assume his statements have any relation to what he believes
--

Drew
New but, but...
You assured us repeatedly that there was no meaningful difference between the two candidates, and that Trump might even be a better president than the Dread Butch Clinton. Am I to understand that you have modified your earlier stance?

in bewilderment,
New dunno, looking at the dow, hard to be sure what a clinton win would top. 15000?
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
New The Dow is pretty meaningless.
The only way you can have an actual, rather than a mythical, profit is to sell when it's high, but every sale depresses it some (and involves taxes). Fortunately my sales are too small to have a noticeable statistical effect, but I'm kind of allergic to taxes.

Remember how sudden the Bush Recession came on? You have to be able to move fast and dispassionately, or you get screwed in the short term. Of course, the market tripled from the Bush low during the Obama administration and was near record highs before this recent election.

Stock prices are a fantasy, based on what the consensus fantasy is. Some wealthy folks are now riding the fantasy that Trump will be good for business - subject to change without notice.

The big problem is what I ran into at the start of the Bush Recession. I thought, "maybe I should just tell my broker to sell everything" - but the taxes on the very long term profits would have been way, way high, and I decided I had time to ride it out - and that worked very well for me - because I didn't need the money.

I'm so accustomed to being poor, I just don't spend much. Uncle Scrooge would be proud - but my paternal grandfather thought Uncle Scrooge was a spendthrift, and would shake a finger at me.

My father was almost blind, but had to get eyeglasses from a charity organization because his daddy, the town banker, couldn't see spending the money.
New Some help.
I believe I always held that he might be better because he might be less likely to get into a shooting war with Russia (and I stand by that). He also might be better because he might (and he's well ahead of where I thought he'd be in this regard) cause real change by way of reaction. My eldest was understandably distraught after the election (and remains so). I told her that there might be a few things that actually got better, but the many more things that were going to get worse would overwhelm them. Still, I said, I believe that this may have a huge benefit to the Democrats and the Democratic Party if only they will learn the proper lesson. So far, they don't appear to have learned anything and consequently their party may be irrelevant going forward. There is a Science March being actively planned for March. My daughter and I are planning to join some friends from North Carolina (themselves all STEM graduates) in Washington for that march. Although there are vastly fewer STEM majors than there are the fairer sex, you don't have to be a STEM major to participate, only a "believer" in science. Trump's election motivated these people. This could be the birth of a new party, which would be outstanding.

The Clintons are gone, thank $DEITY. If the Democratic Party is to survive, it *must* purge all the Clintonistas from the party. Last night I watched a Youtube interview of Thomas Frank by Jimmy Dore of the Jimmy Dore Show. Frank is the author of both "What's Wrong with Kansas" and "Listen, Liberal." During that interview, Frank made a compelling case for the Clinton purge. For his research on Bill Clinton, he said he only used material from Clinton supporters. The consensus among them, he said, was that there were five big successes of the Bill Clinton presidency. They were:

1) NAFTA
2) The Crime Bill
3) The Balanced Budget
4) Welfare Reform
5) De-regulation (especially the banks, i.e. Repeal of Glass-Stegall)

He noted that all five of those were things Republicans had tried to do and could not. The reason the DNC said the introduction of these policies was acceptable was because Clintons won elections. So by their own measure they have failed miserably. If the Democratic Party cannot see that they have been traveling down the wrong road, with the wrong leadership since at least since 1992 after having lost to a deranged orangutan for President, lost roughly 2/3 of State legislatures and Governorships, the House and the Senate, then there is no fixing the Democratic Party. ( Aside: If you want to understand my position even more clearly than perhaps I can express, I highly recommend viewing all three parts of that interview, here's a link to get you started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9u2aR19P3g which is NSFW due to some language).

Frank also has some pretty heavy criticism of Obama (for instance, he fired the CEO of GM, but not of any of the banks - which he had the authority to do without Congressional Approval, no Wall Street investigations by the FBI, not following FDR's guidelines to dealing with bankster criminals, etc.). He conceded that he had been duped into expecting real change from Obama in 2008 and obviously didn't get it. IIRC, he said it was "inescapable that Trump is a part of the Obama legacy." He's dead-bang right about that. Seems like I remember someone saying in 2007 that if Obama was able to pull off his con of being a Progressive, it would kill the Left. Trump might be the spark that causes it to rise again. We'll see.
bcnu,
Mikem

Social Media is for Sociopaths.
New Radioactive decay.. model of (most?) political parties, then..
(Physics doesn't much understand the weak-force, also radioactive decay--surely not to a fare-thee-well.)
So using that as an overlay on the self-deceptive making of a new political Tribe, next: may not be as illuminating as your excerpted quote, Clintons won elections.
Might as well say, but But.. Mussolini made the trains run on time! So if this were "pro-Clinton" rationales tabulated, [inspected; detected]
and not views of a mere handful of wonks: well, that would say that the Donkey is well past a couple half-lives.

So where DOES a one find: a young Bernie Sanders (?) sans most expected blind spots so as not to emulate the young Mozart
..a candle which flamed out as he barely made it into 30s. Eh? (cf. the young Barak under, 'famous disappointments re following-through.')


We appear not-to possess enough TIME ..next.. to train-up a few good homo-saps possessed of a facility for thinking to some purpose
+ the attention span necessary for arriving (there.)
The Wrecking Crew is, if anything accelerating well into Irreversible territory, just as fast as those tiny fingers can type.

The Weed of Crime maudlin/mechanically-Greedy Vulture-capitalism bears bitter fruit
--even before 1950, The Shadow Knew dat. Now: a majority of Muricans: Don't know dat. I wot.
     And the hits keep on coming. - (mmoffitt) - (19)
         They need to work on their headlines - (drook)
         why is he delusional? - (boxley) - (12)
             They need to make up their minds. - (Another Scott) - (9)
                 an audit should be fairly simple - (boxley) - (8)
                     Not how it works - (drook)
                     States *already* have procedures to remove people from the rolls. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                         Oh, this is just too good to be true. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                             Totally predictable - (drook) - (2)
                                 I think I was registered in 3 or 4 locations in Chicago when I left. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     Downfall of local registries. - (static)
                     like I said, roll out tanks and the national guard to ensure that it neve happems -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                         "Don't waste time and money starting it" != "Spend lots of time and money stopping it" -NT - (drook)
             Here's how. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                 Never assume his statements have any relation to what he believes -NT - (drook)
         but, but... - (rcareaga) - (4)
             dunno, looking at the dow, hard to be sure what a clinton win would top. 15000? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 The Dow is pretty meaningless. - (Andrew Grygus)
             Some help. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                 Radioactive decay.. model of (most?) political parties, then.. - (Ashton)

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