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New Already being done, and yes they're fighting it
Since only the community can take control, it is the community that must be punished until it's members learn to apply that control. While punishment should rightly be first against property, people will defend their property and many so called "innocents" will die.

I'm sure you've heard of the (some would say draconian) rules that residents in government-supplied housing can be expelled if any co-resident is convicted of a drug offence, even away from the residence. This sounds like exactly what you call for: punishing the community in the hope that they will be able to exert the control over their own members that the government hasn't been able to.

Although, as with the Middle East problems being a byproduct of our oil dependance, the power of the LA gangs is a byproduct of the war on drugs. If we could fix the root causes -- reduce/eliminate our depepndance on (foreign) oil, decriminalize drugs (thus taking the money out of it) -- we would probably see the problems solve themselves much more effectively than we have managed.
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Microsoft offers them the one thing most business people will pay any price for - the ability to say "we had no choice - everyone's doing it that way." -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=38978|Andrew Grygus]
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These recent actions by the Government, to make abettors in '*projects' also subject to discipline - begs the question of (as Brandioch has pointed out several times):

* 'projects' - need for same? An entire thread in itself.

'Our' tolerance of a Government policy towards 'drugs that some people Like' (or toss in prostitution too, if you want; 'sex that some people Like') in its favorite theme of "War On ___"

We indeed tolerate this continuous thread of 'reasoning' re very many 'problems'. We have NOT begun to learn even the lessons of Prohibition and its bloody-well FORCED Repeal! It DID NOT WORK and it was the petri dish for The Mob which exists today.

'Victimless Crime' is a typically Murican oxymoron -I aver that it is a direct descendant of (Our version of) Puritanism: the nagging fear that somewhere somehow SomeOne is enjoying hisself in an unAuthorized Way.

Street Gangs, expanding prisons-for profit (a Growth Industry lobbied for wih massive funds from handsomely paid Guards), the entire NARC infrastructure which perpetrates 'confiscation for the direct cash benefit of the NARC Organization !! for just one aspect of the creeping unConstitutionality 'we' supinely accept ... ...

These all derive from the Puritanism just below the surface. And we are spawning YAN variant in all the new legislation aimed primarily at --> continuing the Murican War On __ mentality IMhO.

Root Causes. Find those, and the remedies become at least Thinkable. Otherwise, it's just all Demo/Repo, Librul/Cunservative *blab* ad infinitum. Sound and fury signifying Nothing. Solving? even less = exacerbating!


Ashton
     Dubya reportedly suffering from Arafat fatigue - (marlowe) - (14)
         The medicine is bitter and hard to swallow. - (Andrew Grygus) - (12)
             I agree with you - (Mike)
             That's easy to say, when it isn't you. - (Brandioch) - (6)
                 I agree with you - when . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                     chuckle...if we logically extend that out... - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                         You can extend that as far as you want. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                             A most embarrassing equivalence there - (Ashton)
                         People get the government that the majority of them deserve. - (marlowe)
                     "should". - (Brandioch)
             Already being done, and yes they're fighting it - (drewk) - (1)
                 However - - (Ashton)
             Invoking Bogart - (kmself)
             Re: The medicine is bitter and hard to swallow. - (wharris2)
         Still a ways to go - (marlowe)

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