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Post #413,940 by drook 9/26/16 1:55:51 PM 9/26/16 1:55:52 PM Reply	Thanks for confirming No system is worth anything that allows a situation where a child can be legally denied care based upon their parents ability to pay. So a system that demonstrably leads to more people being covered on a per-capita basis than any time in the history of the country is worth nothing because there are still cases where care depends on ability to pay. Like I said, finances are your first and only criteria. Doesn't matter who actually gets (or doesn't get) care. -- Drew
Post #413,943 by mmoffitt 9/26/16 2:30:28 PM 9/26/16 2:30:28 PM Reply	You've got a strange definition of equality embedded in that statement.
Post #413,945 by drook 9/26/16 2:34:08 PM 9/26/16 2:34:08 PM Reply	More words, please? -- Drew
Post #413,947 by mmoffitt 9/26/16 2:40:25 PM 9/26/16 2:40:25 PM Reply	Re: More words, please? I'm saying, "Everyone should get treatment who needs it without regard to whether they can pay for it." My position is that a system that treats people unequally is not a system worth having. You are arguing my position is ill advised. This suggests you don't care if some people go without care because unequal treatment with regard to healthcare is insufficient grounds to toss a system. IOW, some people are more equal than others and you're good with that.
Post #413,949 by drook 9/26/16 2:52:17 PM 9/26/16 2:52:17 PM Reply	You don't seem to understand your own words No system is worth anything that allows a situation where a child can be legally denied care based upon their parents ability to pay. I'm saying that the ACA is better than what it replaced because more people receive care than before. It could be still better if more were covered, and without regard to what they could pay, but it's *BETTER*. That's the word that doesn't exist in your world. It's not up to your standards, so it shouldn't exist. -- Drew
Post #413,961 by mmoffitt 9/26/16 4:03:17 PM 9/26/16 4:03:17 PM Reply	Simpler summary of my view: An unequal system is not a defensible system.
Post #413,967 by drook 9/26/16 5:00:41 PM 9/26/16 5:00:41 PM Reply	Do you prefer no system? There will be a system, even if that system is anarchy. If you don't choose something else you are choosing anarchy. Is that defensible? -- Drew

The PPACA strikes my daughter. - (mmoffitt) - (67) - Sept. 21, 2016, 09:20:00 AM EDT

Look through a longer lens. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Sept. 21, 2016, 09:44:23 AM EDT

How do you understand US politics so well? - (drook) - (1) - Sept. 21, 2016, 10:09:56 AM EDT

You know how you don't know who David Davis is, or what he does? - (pwhysall) - Sept. 21, 2016, 10:20:07 AM EDT

I did not have medical insurance until I was 45 lost it when I was 55, shrug -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 21, 2016, 10:08:08 AM EDT

gotcher armband & jackboots right here - (rcareaga) - (44) - Sept. 21, 2016, 10:37:48 AM EDT

Re: second, ... - (mmoffitt) - (43) - Sept. 21, 2016, 01:54:27 PM EDT

Point of order... - (Another Scott) - (42) - Sept. 21, 2016, 07:48:14 PM EDT

You're missing the point. - (mmoffitt) - (41) - Sept. 22, 2016, 08:39:21 AM EDT

it is *still legal* for healthcare providers to refuse to care - (boxley) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2016, 12:44:38 PM EDT

Providing healthcare? Yes. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 22, 2016, 12:55:08 PM EDT

You're whining. - (Another Scott) - (31) - Sept. 22, 2016, 06:04:26 PM EDT

Serious question. - (mmoffitt) - (30) - Sept. 23, 2016, 01:21:04 PM EDT

Serious answer - (drook) - (2) - Sept. 23, 2016, 01:40:51 PM EDT

By "Pragmatists" you mean capitulators, right? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2016, 02:13:07 PM EDT

Canada's system started in a few provinces then went national. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 23, 2016, 03:18:48 PM EDT

You didn't say "Single Payer". You said "Medicare for All" - (Another Scott) - (26) - Sept. 23, 2016, 03:15:14 PM EDT

Re: What Medicare system are you advocating ... Yes. That one. - (mmoffitt) - (25) - Sept. 26, 2016, 08:22:02 AM EDT

Our government isn't going to change unless people vote sensibly. Which means voting D. -NT - (Another Scott) - (24) - Sept. 26, 2016, 08:30:59 AM EDT

The last D put private insurers in our system by law. How'd that help? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (23) - Sept. 26, 2016, 08:39:22 AM EDT

"Put" isn't the word you're looking for there. -NT - (Another Scott) - (4) - Sept. 26, 2016, 08:43:54 AM EDT

Really? Private Insurers were in the system by federal law before? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Sept. 26, 2016, 11:06:35 AM EDT

Define "the system" that you're talking about for me. "Medicare Advantage" ring a bell? -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - Sept. 26, 2016, 11:42:44 AM EDT

Part C is redundant coverage that could have been placed in part B. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 26, 2016, 11:54:07 AM EDT

Shoulda woulda coulda. The law and the system has to deal with reality. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 26, 2016, 12:05:48 PM EDT

Action first, payment second - (drook) - (17) - Sept. 26, 2016, 10:09:51 AM EDT

Not at all. - (mmoffitt) - (16) - Sept. 26, 2016, 11:08:03 AM EDT

What does "as a right" mean? - (drook) - (15) - Sept. 26, 2016, 11:34:34 AM EDT

In America, you get the healthcare you can pay for and nothing else. That's wrong. - (mmoffitt) - (14) - Sept. 26, 2016, 11:56:19 AM EDT

In Canada... - (Another Scott) - (6) - Sept. 26, 2016, 12:10:32 PM EDT

Well, there was one once. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Sept. 26, 2016, 02:29:39 PM EDT

Re: Well, there was one once. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Sept. 26, 2016, 03:25:07 PM EDT

So, Mike was privileged even as a youth! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 26, 2016, 03:38:09 PM EDT

So, you know my own experiences better than I? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 26, 2016, 04:01:53 PM EDT

Point is, you were a sample of one. That is all. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 26, 2016, 04:06:16 PM EDT

Okay, Twas not the thrust anyway. :0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 26, 2016, 04:09:21 PM EDT

Thanks for confirming - (drook) - (6) - Sept. 26, 2016, 01:55:52 PM EDT

You've got a strange definition of equality embedded in that statement. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Sept. 26, 2016, 02:30:28 PM EDT

More words, please? -NT - (drook) - (4) - Sept. 26, 2016, 02:34:08 PM EDT

Re: More words, please? - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Sept. 26, 2016, 02:40:25 PM EDT

You don't seem to understand *your own* words - (drook) - (2) - Sept. 26, 2016, 02:52:17 PM EDT

Simpler summary of my view: An unequal system is not a defensible system. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 26, 2016, 04:03:17 PM EDT

Do you prefer no system? - (drook) - Sept. 26, 2016, 05:00:41 PM EDT

Two things - (drook) - (6) - Sept. 22, 2016, 06:39:36 PM EDT

Re: (2) - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Sept. 23, 2016, 08:28:57 AM EDT

Read much? - (drook) - (4) - Sept. 23, 2016, 09:58:49 AM EDT

Might depend on what "household" means here. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 23, 2016, 10:26:58 AM EDT

They're covered - (drook) - Sept. 23, 2016, 10:46:08 AM EDT

That's because ... - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2016, 12:59:16 PM EDT

Didn't you say ... - (drook) - Sept. 23, 2016, 01:50:06 PM EDT

So she would have been covered before the ACA? -NT - (malraux) - (13) - Sept. 21, 2016, 10:17:25 AM EDT

24 by law, but some plans it would have been 26. Both with no restrictions on pre-existing. - (mmoffitt) - (12) - Sept. 21, 2016, 01:34:38 PM EDT

OK, so you paid through the end of the month - (rcareaga) - (7) - Sept. 21, 2016, 02:07:42 PM EDT

I'd expect that attitude from a Hillary supporter. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Sept. 21, 2016, 02:12:19 PM EDT

FIFY - (rcareaga) - (5) - Sept. 21, 2016, 02:37:27 PM EDT

But you *DID* get something. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Sept. 21, 2016, 04:28:21 PM EDT

What part of "tangible terms" was unclear? -NT - (rcareaga) - (3) - Sept. 21, 2016, 07:27:26 PM EDT

What part of "no tangible thing != nothing" is unclear? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2016, 08:41:35 AM EDT

you are betting hundreds of dollars every month that you will get a dread disease. You lose monthly -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2016, 12:51:27 PM EDT

I'm not so worried about myself. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 22, 2016, 01:12:56 PM EDT

So.... - (malraux) - (3) - Sept. 21, 2016, 02:16:12 PM EDT

This bad, it had to be intentional. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 21, 2016, 02:18:55 PM EDT

Never ascribe to malice, etc. - (malraux) - (1) - Sept. 21, 2016, 02:37:23 PM EDT

Come on, nobody's that thick. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 21, 2016, 04:30:37 PM EDT

Could be worse - (dmcarls) - (1) - Sept. 23, 2016, 10:44:07 PM EDT

Wow. Bibi got his, didn't he? Well done, Obama. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 23, 2016, 10:53:18 PM EDT

Yeah, Obama's horrible all right. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2016, 06:31:19 PM EDT

Touching. Nice to see he knows how to use a six year old. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 23, 2016, 08:25:01 AM EDT

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