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Post #41,150
by Ashton
6/4/02 4:04:28 PM
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New Net result: demonstration that this is a genuine Conundrum
we are facing - not a mere political expediency around The Green Table, not an [oil] cheap availability problem we can lean-on in the usual ways.

Yet you and many: imagine that the same old tired slogans - will handle THIS one, too!

C.O.Y.O.T.E.
Call Off Your ...

THIS ONE shall require a process which is quite a Stranger to Murican polit-speek: deep, thorough debate, some new awareness of Who we are, How we are perceived by Others (Yes: there are Other than Murican POVs in the World) -- and maybe toughest of all:

the Changing of some of >OUR< Habits. Too. Scary, ain't it?

(Will it Happen, this unprecedented Review of Who We Be?)

Corollary: How MUCH destruction shall we unleash -?- in order to ensure that we need make No Changes in our relationship to the rest of the Planet, and in our means-to-date of enforcing Our View?

OR Go It Alone, REALLY-Alone:
Pax Americana (no, there are Many 'Others' even nearby! in The Americas). It would be: Pax USA



Ashton
Post #41,152
by Brandioch
6/4/02 4:18:14 PM
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New Defense in depth.
Part of that is handling the problem before it becomes a problem.

Which requires an understanding of the problem.

#1. What breeds terrorism?

#2. How can each breed be countered?

#3. For the existing terrorists, how can we neutralize or contain them?

THIS ONE shall require a process which is quite a Stranger to Murican polit-speek: deep, thorough debate, some new awareness of Who we are, How we are perceived by Others (Yes: there are Other than Murican POVs in the World) -- and maybe toughest of all:

the Changing of some of >OUR< Habits. Too. Scary, ain't it?
I think we're doomed then. Too much of our psychological make-up is based upon Might Is Right.

I don't think this will change until we run into someone bigger than us (US).

Until that point, it is economically, emotionally, and just about every other way, easier and more satisfying to smite the opposition into submission.
     What we're facing. - (bepatient) - (79) - June 2, 2002, 03:24:52 PM EDT
         Verily. - (Ashton) - June 2, 2002, 07:04:36 PM EDT
         What is most striking to me... - (screamer) - (49) - June 3, 2002, 09:58:22 AM EDT
             Frankly... - (bepatient) - (28) - June 3, 2002, 10:06:15 AM EDT
                 Re: Frankly... - (Arkadiy) - (26) - June 3, 2002, 10:50:39 AM EDT
                     Which boils down to... - (bepatient) - (25) - June 3, 2002, 11:28:10 AM EDT
                         You're revealing your assumptions. - (Brandioch) - (24) - June 3, 2002, 12:52:25 PM EDT
                             What assupmtions. - (bepatient) - (23) - June 3, 2002, 03:44:54 PM EDT
                                 You're getting closer. - (Brandioch) - (22) - June 3, 2002, 04:24:52 PM EDT
                                     So we should... - (bepatient) - (21) - June 3, 2002, 04:38:35 PM EDT
                                         It's called a "clue". You may not recognize it. - (Brandioch) - (20) - June 3, 2002, 05:41:26 PM EDT
                                             Yep...there's that losing spirit - (bepatient) - (19) - June 3, 2002, 10:45:40 PM EDT
                                                 That's the spirit Bill.. - (Ashton) - June 4, 2002, 12:11:38 AM EDT
                                                 So what you're saying is your recommendation is a total fail - (Brandioch) - (17) - June 4, 2002, 01:14:08 AM EDT
                                                     Nope....you're confusing yours and mine. - (bepatient) - (16) - June 4, 2002, 02:55:24 AM EDT
                                                         Sounds like your Alzheimer's is kicking in with a vengence. - (Brandioch) - (15) - June 4, 2002, 01:01:45 PM EDT
                                                             Then please, oh wise one...enlighten us with your plan. - (bepatient) - (14) - June 4, 2002, 01:30:28 PM EDT
                                                                 You need to brush up on our criminal justice system. - (Brandioch) - (13) - June 4, 2002, 02:32:17 PM EDT
                                                                     Pretty weak. - (bepatient) - (11) - June 4, 2002, 03:36:48 PM EDT
                                                                         Net result: demonstration that this is a genuine Conundrum - (Ashton) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 04:04:28 PM EDT
                                                                             Defense in depth. - (Brandioch) - June 4, 2002, 04:18:14 PM EDT
                                                                         Yep, you've got Alzheimer's. - (Brandioch) - (8) - June 4, 2002, 04:09:46 PM EDT
                                                                             It seems that your plan is still missing... - (bepatient) - (7) - June 4, 2002, 05:12:36 PM EDT
                                                                                 Bill "Strawman" Pathetic. - (Brandioch) - (6) - June 4, 2002, 06:59:47 PM EDT
                                                                                     If I may - some comments. - (Another Scott) - (3) - June 4, 2002, 08:08:38 PM EDT
                                                                                         Answers. - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 4, 2002, 09:14:57 PM EDT
                                                                                             Clarifcation of my inquiry. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 5, 2002, 07:36:06 AM EDT
                                                                                                 More. - (Brandioch) - June 5, 2002, 01:28:30 PM EDT
                                                                                     I see your originality is still intact - (bepatient) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 11:06:25 PM EDT
                                                                                         Reading.....with comprehension. - (Brandioch) - June 5, 2002, 01:44:33 PM EDT
                                                                     lotsa criminals and no Justice :) -NT - (boxley) - June 4, 2002, 03:53:59 PM EDT
                 You may be quite right re the outcome. - (Ashton) - June 3, 2002, 05:07:05 PM EDT
             Again, I must disagree... - (Simon_Jester) - June 3, 2002, 11:07:54 AM EDT
             Hatred, not at their level - (orion) - (18) - June 3, 2002, 01:03:56 PM EDT
                 We are as bad as they are and... as good. - (screamer) - (17) - June 3, 2002, 02:22:06 PM EDT
                     That type of thought process used to amaze me. - (Brandioch) - (13) - June 3, 2002, 02:51:42 PM EDT
                         But Brandioch... - (Simon_Jester) - June 3, 2002, 03:14:57 PM EDT
                         what to do - (boxley) - (2) - June 3, 2002, 03:39:11 PM EDT
                             Close - (bepatient) - (1) - June 3, 2002, 03:49:09 PM EDT
                                 Now put some names to those people and you'll see the prob. - (Brandioch) - June 3, 2002, 04:26:46 PM EDT
                         Yes - (screamer) - (8) - June 3, 2002, 06:40:05 PM EDT
                             Can you locate the USofA on a map? - (Brandioch) - (7) - June 3, 2002, 07:00:10 PM EDT
                                 Doesn't work - (bepatient) - June 3, 2002, 10:55:06 PM EDT
                                 Yeah... - (screamer) - (3) - June 3, 2002, 11:14:22 PM EDT
                                     Ummm, did you miss the heading of this forum? - (Brandioch) - (2) - June 4, 2002, 01:30:46 AM EDT
                                         Nope... - (screamer) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 10:58:33 AM EDT
                                             Score it however you want to. - (Brandioch) - June 4, 2002, 02:20:32 PM EDT
                                 No, I cannot locate the USofA on a map. - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 12:55:02 AM EDT
                                     Minor disagreement. - (Brandioch) - June 4, 2002, 01:52:34 AM EDT
                     Et tu Brute? - (Ashton) - (1) - June 3, 2002, 05:29:21 PM EDT
                         The evil that men do lives after them... - (screamer) - June 3, 2002, 11:31:18 PM EDT
                     During WW-II, the Japanese were considered to be... - (a6l6e6x) - June 3, 2002, 05:47:41 PM EDT
         Isn't this humorous... - (Simon_Jester) - (27) - June 3, 2002, 03:52:46 PM EDT
             no...not really - (bepatient) - (26) - June 3, 2002, 04:23:24 PM EDT
                 chuckle - (Simon_Jester) - (25) - June 3, 2002, 05:02:17 PM EDT
                     Of course there's the fact that he was an Idealist - - (Ashton) - (24) - June 3, 2002, 05:37:10 PM EDT
                         Close... - (Simon_Jester) - (23) - June 3, 2002, 06:24:09 PM EDT
                             Dear sir, if you are referring to moi - (screamer) - (22) - June 3, 2002, 11:45:32 PM EDT
                                 Maybe more ironical than ha-ha? - (Ashton) - June 4, 2002, 12:46:45 AM EDT
                                 I think it is hilarious. - (Brandioch) - (18) - June 4, 2002, 02:04:43 AM EDT
                                     I guess you missed their message. - (bepatient) - (17) - June 4, 2002, 03:01:03 AM EDT
                                         Nope...I didn't - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - June 4, 2002, 09:19:52 AM EDT
                                             Dunno. Who? - (bepatient) - (4) - June 4, 2002, 10:02:17 AM EDT
                                                 Actually you.... - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - June 4, 2002, 11:57:56 AM EDT
                                                     Nope... - (bepatient) - (2) - June 4, 2002, 01:13:52 PM EDT
                                                         Sigh...somehow I knew you wouldn't see the humor... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 02:05:05 PM EDT
                                                             Ok...I get it. - (bepatient) - June 4, 2002, 02:18:28 PM EDT
                                         Ah, but there is a difference. - (Brandioch) - (10) - June 4, 2002, 01:16:16 PM EDT
                                             C'mon now... - (bepatient) - (9) - June 4, 2002, 01:34:03 PM EDT
                                                 Hint: was it Guatemala? Nicaragua? El Salvador? - (Ashton) - (8) - June 4, 2002, 04:43:17 PM EDT
                                                     What... - (bepatient) - (7) - June 4, 2002, 05:03:10 PM EDT
                                                         That's what I've previously established. - (Brandioch) - (6) - June 4, 2002, 09:28:51 PM EDT
                                                             ROFL - (bepatient) - (5) - June 4, 2002, 11:13:49 PM EDT
                                                                 Whatever. - (Brandioch) - (4) - June 5, 2002, 01:49:13 PM EDT
                                                                     Why bother. - (bepatient) - (3) - June 5, 2002, 07:55:17 PM EDT
                                                                         That's funny. - (Brandioch) - (1) - June 5, 2002, 08:35:29 PM EDT
                                                                             High Density - (bepatient) - June 5, 2002, 09:36:35 PM EDT
                                                                         Oh Goodie! ______... a poll. - (Ashton) - June 6, 2002, 01:25:14 AM EDT
                                 He's certainly a pawn... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - June 4, 2002, 09:15:40 AM EDT
                                     Sorry for the noise - (screamer) - June 4, 2002, 11:08:01 AM EDT

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