I guess you missed their message.

Post #41,058 by bepatient 6/4/02 3:01:03 AM Reply	I guess you missed their message. Hopefully you won't have the misfortune of being in the wrong place in any of your travels. Sure...he was a reporter looking for a story. Next it might be a member of the Peace Corps delivering aid to starving children. They don't care. They will do it again. Glad you think its funny. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,075 by Simon_Jester 6/4/02 9:19:52 AM Reply	Nope...I didn't and I certainly don't plan on traveling to places where the natives are unfriendly. But..again, the humor is in those championing the cause, not what the death. (Although I doubt you'll get the humor). And...who was saying that Americans didn't need to be reminded that there were those out there who wanted to harm us?
Post #41,086 by bepatient 6/4/02 10:02:17 AM Reply	Dunno. Who? I don't mind the warnings. Don't need them...I've seen the hostility up close and personal...for nothing other than being a US citizen. And I see that you think this can only happen where the "natives are unfriendly". Where...exactly...is that? Jersey City? The enemy is among us. Pakistan was officially assisting the US. Pearl was captured in a "friendly" nation. Let's see...Al_Queda members were detained or captured in Singapore, London, Hamburg, Minnesota, Madrid... Understand yet? There is >no< place that can be identified as where the natives are all friendly. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,099 by Simon_Jester 6/4/02 11:57:56 AM Reply	Actually you.... You said, unless I'm mistaken, that vague non-specific terrorist warnings were harmful. As for the enemy, yes, the are everywhere. However, Pearl wasn't killed in Jersey City, Singapore, London, Hamburg, Minnesota, or Madrid. Pearl was kill in Pakinstan, which was taking in refugees from Afganistan. (And why were there refugees from Afganistan???) There is >no< place that can be identified as where the natives are all friendly. Horrors...I'd better not go to the 7-11 to get gas tonight...Abdul there might be a bin Ladin supporter and cut my throat! cough. Come on bepatient...even you will admit (I hope) that there are areas more dangerous than others Journalists regularly go into these areas to get to stories certain groups have blasted Journalists for compromising military operations (and the liberal mindset as a whole) particularly for trying to get close to the 'enemy' and now...there is this argument that the death of journalist is (part of) the reason to kill Al Queda. And you don't see ANY humor in this?
Post #41,115 by bepatient 6/4/02 1:13:52 PM Reply	Nope... I just pointed out a situation (not this one) that I actually >did< find humorous...and that situation was a call for more warnings followed by a criticism for issuing them. So it will take a murder in some more >friendly< place to get the point across to you. Thats fine. I'm sure you'll be obliged at some point. NY was just an appetizer. And I will agree that there are places that are >more< dangerous than others...I just won't be naive enough to think that there are areas that are completely >safe<. I don't see anyone using the Pearl video as a reason to kill Al-Q. If they are...then maybe they are using Al-q as the "terrorist poster children". Understandable, even though misinformed. I don't think we need any more reason to kill Al Q than the smoking hole in Manhattan. I brought the video up as a lesson in the mindset of who we're dealing with...and you seem to find it amusing. I see no humor in it at all. Their stated mission is to kill as many of us as they can, whenever and wherever they can. Their "advertisement" was the beheading of an Jewish_American journalist. If it was just Al Q that we were dealing with...that would be great. Problem is...there are alot more groups than just Al Q that seem to want us all dead. And they seem more than happy to tell us all about it. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,131 by Simon_Jester 6/4/02 2:05:05 PM Reply	Sigh...somehow I knew you wouldn't see the humor... I seem to recall agreeing with you on the humor of that situation. Alas, you can't see the humor in this one. But then again, I believe it took numerous arguments (from you) to get past the emotion to show the humor in that situation. I doubt I'll have the fortitude to make the same said arguments to prove to you the humor in this one. But it does exist. Not in the killing of Pearl. Not in the video of his death. Not in the crater in Mahatten. But in the people who champion his death. "Make the bastards Pay!" Yet, they'd be blasting him for doing what he did when he died. Maybe I'm the only one who sees it.
Post #41,134 by bepatient 6/4/02 2:18:28 PM Reply	Ok...I get it. In the same vein as the "humor" surrounding the pro and con side of the death penalty...that being that the pro side is officially sanctioning the government to do what the guy who's >gettin it< did to get it in the first place. I'm not sure that humor would be the word I would use though...but I do understand from where you're coming. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,116 by Brandioch 6/4/02 1:16:16 PM Reply	Ah, but there is a difference. Hopefully you won't have the misfortune of being in the wrong place in any of your travels. Big difference. #1. When I go looking for trouble, I make sure I'm prepared for what I'll find. #2. I don't go looking for trouble anymore. #3. I'm not an idiot. Again, this guy went looking for a story. A story found him. The story was "your life isn't worth shit to certain people who want to make a political statement". Now, a lesson to be learned by every other "journalist" (who hasn't managed to figure it out yet) is that there are SOME stories out that that you will not survive. Next it might be a member of the Peace Corps delivering aid to starving children. Awww, those poor potentially existant children. You REALLY need to read more. Not only has this ALREADY happened (except it was nuns instead of Peace Corps workers).... but the US government was supporting it. Bill, let me tell you a bed time story..... Once upon a time there was a boy who learned that your life isn't worth shit to certain people who want to make a political statement. The end.
Post #41,122 by bepatient 6/4/02 1:34:03 PM Reply	C'mon now... Not only has this ALREADY happened (except it was nuns instead of Peace Corps workers).... but the US government was supporting it. You would >never< allow me to do this without asking for links as proof. So I must return the favor. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,160 by Ashton 6/4/02 4:43:17 PM Reply	Hint: was it Guatemala? Nicaragua? El Salvador? There are so many - they just all run together; it's the Murican-part of my attention span too, I guess. But nuns there were - killed by US "School of the Americas"-trained local "government" Gestapo thugs (to use the inflammatory but not inaccurate synonym for whatever was their Nombre Offici\ufffdl, Se\ufffdor..) or whatever Murican euphemism it has morphed-to of late. Gawd we Love those innocuous euphemisms! for the teaching of assholes to behave like Real assholes -- but please to call it FoundingFathers\ufffd Freedom-Fighting Contras. Another win for: The Hearts & Minds yada yada choke = >LOCALLY<. Ashton
Post #41,164 by bepatient 6/4/02 5:03:10 PM Reply	What... ...you're not in favor of Brandi getting a little homework??? You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,200 by Brandioch 6/4/02 9:28:51 PM Reply	That's what I've previously established. I make reference to well known events. Well, they are well known to anyone who is informed on the subject. You insist that I provide links to such. Why? If this were a scientific discussion and I refered to the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics to support my position..... And you insisted I provide a link to said Law...... Well, if you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't need a link. You'd be able to contradict me from your knowledge. The same goes for this discussion (and the previous ones). Time after time you've managed to mis-state my position (hence your earning the nickname "Strawman") and even forget what I had explained only two posts ago. You are just trying to throw anything you can at my position in an attempt to discredit it. So be it. I don't care about your opinion. If you had been informed on the subject, then you would have been able to present counters to my points. Rather than mis-stating them and continually demanding that I re-post my explanations. You didn't even know about our deals with Uz or the pipeline across Afghanistan. You don't KNOW the facts of the situation but you're going to hold an opinion on it anyway. And because my opinion is different than your's, you're going to try to discredit mine any way you can. Provided it doesn't require you actually look up any facts or references. Whatever. My position may not be the best, but it is based off of more information and more accurate information than what you are willing to pursue.
Post #41,216 by bepatient 6/4/02 11:13:49 PM Reply	ROFL Good one. Which addresses nothing. Your post seems to be an exersize in you wanking about how smart you are compared to me. Hope you enjoyed it. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,283 by Brandioch 6/5/02 1:49:13 PM Reply	Whatever. Your post seems to be an exersize in you wanking about how smart you are compared to me. No. Not "smarter". That has not been established. What has been established is that I am better informed on the subject. -and- That you have no inclination to become better informed than you are now. -but- You will still disagree with my position. Also that you will lie and re-phrase what I post, repeatedly. Hope you enjoyed it. It's something that had to be done. I will also note that you do not attempt to refute my claim that you lie about what I post. I will state that you do not do this because it would be far to easy for me to prove that you do. Repeatedly.
Post #41,321 by bepatient 6/5/02 7:55:17 PM Reply	Why bother. I will also note that you do not attempt to refute my claim that you lie about what I post. I will state that you do not do this because it would be far to easy for me to prove that you do. Repeatedly. Why bother. I know you're wrong and correctly assume that the other 304 registered users have enough of a brain to figure it out for themselves. Feel free. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,330 by Brandioch 6/5/02 8:35:29 PM Reply	That's funny. Why bother. I know you're wrong and correctly assume that the other 304 registered users have enough of a brain to figure it out for themselves. Particularly since, in this very thread, you have demanded that I provide links for my other claims. But you don't demand a link for this? But you demand a link for those others.
Post #41,344 by bepatient 6/5/02 9:36:35 PM Reply	High Density Too high to figure out that the link routine was >making fun of you<. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #41,358 by Ashton 6/6/02 1:25:14 AM Reply	Oh Goodie! ______... a poll. That will certainly establish er Truth in advertising. Better yet: maybe a graph? Graphical logic. Love. It.

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